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Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

This imaginary mentality is a strawman. The violence did not come from the marchers, but a small band of anarchists, and was directed against the banks who got us all in this mess, yet continue to pay million pound bonuses to the perpetrators, and toward the many large companies who contrive to avoid paying most if not all of their share of taxes.
 
This imaginary mentality is a strawman. The violence did not come from the marchers, but a small band of anarchists, and was directed against the banks who got us all in this mess, yet continue to pay million pound bonuses to the perpetrators, and toward the many large companies who contrive to avoid paying most if not all of their share of taxes.

A few tea partiers carry around racist/misspelled/assholish signs? Just a few idiots. Liberals shouldn't say all tea partiers are racists ! (i'm still waiting on a quote where anyone actually said all)

A few anarchists in the UK use the protests as an opportunity to do their break-stuff rampage nonsense? PSSH THOSE SPOILED SOCIALISTS ENTITLEMENTS ENTITLEMENTS RARRRR
 
The US has almost 40% of GDP.

The UK is around 45ish%. Most European countries range from lower 40s to upper 40s in % of GDP.

Again, what is extravagant?

Universal Healthcare? Free schools? unemployment insurance? Spending 400 dollars on a toilet seat? Going to war with countries? What is extravagant?

It's extravagant because they can't afford it.
 
It's extravagant because they can't afford it.

We couldn't afford the two wars we're in, nor the third that we're entering.
 
Protest in the U.K. turn violent during protest over the government trying to cut 100,000,000,000 dollars from the budget. Is this normal style European protest or this an example of when people become too dependent on the Government and feel entitled to all government programs?

Right from the starting sentence your facts are wrong.... The thread should have died after post 3 when Mancs Skipper corrected this but I see large amounts of misinformation posted throughout all pages since.

-- Lets insert the true description of who were dealing with here--

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You sound very Marx like....

-- Your argument is silly in that even if what you espose was true, its small potatoes compared to how much the goverment is ripping you off by taxing you on these social programs that are fiscally unsustainable.

What was unsustainable was the UK govt saving the UK banks with everyone else's savings, pensions and jobs. I read one politician arguing that we should have let the banks go bust and then bought them up cheaply to make sure they worked for us. I'm not an economist enough to see all the merits of such a policy but the argument you make about European social programmes would have some merit if they had anything to do with the credit crunch or if they hadn't worked for the last 65 years...

-- blame the politicians not the bank.

That's what most of us did and that's what the 500,000 peaceful marchers were doing...
 

Please dont equate this with the practices of all corporations.

This is called crony capitalism....

This article I found explains it fairly well....

Link

Crony capitalism is where private corporations recruit the government to serve their interests. Many people mistake this for an ill of capitalism.

However, crony capitalism has more in common with socialism, than with free market capitalism. And it is actually a symptom of big powerful government, which is always necessary to implement wide reaching socialist policies.
In this case the policy it implements is Obamas so called Green energy economy which so far hasnt produced any jobs and almost no energy.
 
You no darn well these are left wing radicals behind the violence so dont think you can pull the wool over my eyes.

What was unsustainable was the UK govt saving the UK banks with everyone else's savings, pensions and jobs. I read one politician arguing that we should have let the banks go bust and then bought them up cheaply to make sure they worked for us. I'm not an economist enough to see all the merits of such a policy but the argument you make about European social programmes would have some merit if they had anything to do with the credit crunch or if they hadn't worked for the last 65 years...
You've made my point for me, the problem is so many people rely on public sector programs & this is an example of how they dont work and in the end just rip you off. You would not have this problem in a country where your pension and other benefits was not controlled by the government. A private company would be forced to pay by law.

Also you claim that social programs had nothing to do with this, apparently you didnt read any of the articles posting in the original post where it clearly states that they are.

That's what most of us did and that's what the 500,000 peaceful marchers were doing...
They may blame the current government for trying to fix this mess (perhaps wrongheadedly) but the real culprits here are the Liberal nut jobs & there supporters whom implemented the unsustainable socialist like policies in the first place.
 
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You no darn well these are left wing radicals behind the violence so dont think you can pull the wool over my eyes.

Was that to me? Were you watching the same TV pictures that showed the breakaway black clad and balaclava wearing crowd that broke away from the main group of peaceful protestors???

You've made my point for me, the problem is so many people rely on public sector programs & this is an example of how they dont work and in the end just rip you off. You would not have this problem in a country where your pension and other benefits was not controlled by the government. A private company would be forced to pay by law.

Also you claim that social programs had nothing to do with this, apparently you didnt read any of the articles posting in the original post where it clearly states that they are.

They may blame the current government for trying to fix this mess but the real culprits here are the Liberal nut jobs & there supporters whom implemented the unsustainable socialist like policies in the first place.

You're just like the europe hating Canadians and Americans who come over to the Europe forum... the TV pictures and story is of one story yet somehow what I know and see happening in my own country is not actually what my TV stations tell me but in reality is something else that only an American can tell from 1000's of miles away completely divorced from facts on the ground.

:roll:

Maybe you can explain how the "liberal nutjobs" and "unsustainable socialist policies" caused the credit crunch which is what we mistakenly think were the reasons the banks here wee bailed out with our money?
 
the little picture is about the minority of anarcho-radicals who always show up at these things

the big meaning is---draconian CUTS

slashing AND burning

taxes OFF THE TABLE

a full HALF MILLION uk public employees about to be AXED

from greece to sacto, brussels and madison in between---just try to stop it

stay up
 
Was that to me? Were you watching the same TV pictures that showed the breakaway black clad and balaclava wearing crowd that broke away from the main group of peaceful protestors???

And what were they protesting? Was it the same issue that the other marchers were protesting against?

And where were the police? Hasn't this happened before and lessons not learned?

They should familiarize themselves with Tasers, designed just for these occasions.



You're just like the europe hating Canadians and Americans who come over to the Europe forum... the TV pictures and story is of one story yet somehow what I know and see happening in my own country is not actually what my TV stations tell me but in reality is something else that only an American can tell from 1000's of miles away completely divorced from facts on the ground.

Another Eurowhine from those who spend half their lives being critical of Americans! Can dish it out but cannot take it!
Maybe you can explain how the "liberal nutjobs" and "unsustainable socialist policies" caused the credit crunch which is what we mistakenly think were the reasons the banks here wee bailed out with our money?

Someone should obviously have explained it to those economically illiterate marchers and they'd have saved a lot of shoe leather, and not a few windows as well.
 
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the little picture is about the minority of anarcho-radicals who always show up at these things

The little picture is what this thread was about - the mistake was a lot of people who don't live here reading headlines about a breakaway group whose tactics and beliefs had nothing to do with the majority who marched peacefully.

the big meaning is---draconian CUTS

slashing AND burning

taxes OFF THE TABLE

a full HALF MILLION uk public employees about to be AXED

from greece to sacto, brussels and madison in between---just try to stop it

stay up

I actually voted for the Conservatives at the last election - in the long run, I believe the pain of the cuts will benefit us, we had one of the largest deficits of any western nation due to bailing our banks out from the credit crunch and it had to be dealt with sooner rather than later (in my opinion).

I don't believe however the future of the UK should have been put at risk by the last Govt bailing out the banks to the extent they did and with the minimal provisos to get that money back from the banks that were put in place.

Lastly, we still have the problem of UK banks not lending to small business - this was the worst crime by the previous Govt and the current one has done little to change that.
 
The little picture is what this thread was about

if you want to look at the little, more power to you

but most mature people are probably more interested in what's in their telescopes than microbes on microscope slides
 
if you want to look at the little, more power to you

My mistake - what I meant was "what the OP was about." My posts (like other Brits who actually know what the situation in the protests was about) were pointing out fact over partisan hype reported in the media.

but most mature people are probably more interested in what's in their telescopes than microbes on microscope slides

Navel gaze at your own microbes as much as you like, but if you read the OP and many non European replies to this thread, there was little interest in the two different marches that happened yesterday, or the bank bailouts that people were complaining yesterday had led to budget cuts that threatened pensions, services and jobs.
 
Navel gaze at your own microbes as much as you like

the seismic waves that are rocking the world from athens to sacto are hardly microscopic, friend

are you aware of andrew cuomo's state of the state

We have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period. Our taxes are 66% higher than the national average. Upstate is truly an economic crisis. In real GDP, from 2001-2006, upstate New York grew about 1.7% per year while the average in the nation was 2.7%. The costs of pensions are exploding, 1.3 billion in 1998-1999, projected for 2013, 6.2 billion - a 476% increase and its only getting worse.

The State of New York spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple. Our spending has far exceeded the rate of inflation. From 1994-2009, inflation was about 2.7% per year; medicaid when up over 5% per year and education went up over 6% per year. We just can’t afford those rates of increase. State spending actually outpaced income growth. State spending increased just under 6%, personal income growth was only 3.8%.

And most damaging, our expenses in this state far exceed revenue. We’ve been focusing on this year and the deficit this year, which is a very large deficit about $10 billion, and that is a problem and it is a major problem; what’s worse, is it’s not just about this year. Next year, the problem goes to $14 billion. The year after, the deficit goes to $17 billion. This is a fundamental economic realignment for the State of New York.

Not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return. We spend more money on education than any state in the nation and we are number 34 in terms of results. We spend more money on Medicaid than any other state in the nation and we are number 21 in results. We spend about $1.6 billion per year in economic development and we are number 50 in terms of results.

And the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests, over the people of the State of New York. The proof is in the pudding. And New Yorkers are voting with their feet. Two million New Yorkers have left the State over the past decade. What does this say? It says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now. This is a fundamental realignment for the state. We are going to redesign our approach because the old way wasn’t working anyway, let's be honest.

We are going to start by transforming New York’s economy. Because what made New York the Empire State was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs in the State of New York. That’s what made us the Empire State once and that’s what’s going to make us the Empire State again.

At the heart of this State is business. And we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says New York is open for business. We get it. And this is going to be a business friendly State.

The property taxes in New York are killing New Yorkers. Thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in New York when assessed by home value. In absolute dollars, Westchester County has the highest property taxes in the United States of America. Nassau County the second highest property taxes in the United State of America. It has to end, it has to end this year. We have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future. New York has no future as the tax capital of the nation. Our young people will not stay. Our business will not come. This has to change.

Put it simply, the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period.

GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

that's NEW YORK, neighbors

that's SEA CHANGE, chums

like i said, just try to stop it

stay up
 
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--stay up

One step ahead of you I'm afraid - I always had a suspicion you were going to bring this thread about a protest in London around to the USA in some way.

-- are you aware of andrew cuomo's state of the state --

that's NEW YORK, neighbors --

Q.E.D.

"Stay up?"- no, goodbye. :2wave:
 
the same forces that are compelling the greeks, french and brits to embrace awful austerities are squeezing as reliably progressive interests as the govt in albany, the wisonsin teachers unions, the sacto assembly as well to cry out for draconian CUTS

it's worldwide, and there's no stopping it

keynes is kaput

sorry, seeya

stay up
 
I don't believe the handful of individuals who acted violently represent the British people in general any more than the rogue elements who went on a violent rampage in Seattle in 1999 during a WTO trade ministerial conference represented the American public. I fully expect that the British people will overwhelmingly remain peaceful, even those who oppose the budget cuts. I also expect that the UK government will press ahead with fiscal consolidation and, in the medium-term, the UK will be better for that decisive leadership.

According to Pete, the violent ones are rightwingers, anarchists and criminals.
 
Getting a pay cut always makes me want to go out and do some crimes.

It makes me feel, I don't know, important.:cool:
 
It's merely what the mobs are told to do when their leaders are confronted with maybe losing a political battle over benefits.

Same thing happened in Wisconsin. The mobs trashed the state capitol, the legislature ended their privilege of a closed shop. The taxpayers won a round, finally.

I wouldn't say that they were told by their leaders to do it, but these people just want their government handouts and are willing to march in the streets over it.
 
Protests Turn Violent in London Over Budget Cuts - FoxNews.com
Demonstrators swarm central London to protest spending cuts - CNN.com
London protesters clash with police - World news - Europe - msnbc.com

Protest in the U.K. turn violent during protest over the government trying to cut 100,000,000,000 dollars from the budget. Is this normal style European protest or this an example of when people become too dependent on the Government and feel entitled to all government programs?

I think these protesters are only screwing themselves out the ability to protest. Any country that can ban so-called hate can easily ban protests against the government as a form of hate speech.
 
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