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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    if you want to look at the little, more power to you
    My mistake - what I meant was "what the OP was about." My posts (like other Brits who actually know what the situation in the protests was about) were pointing out fact over partisan hype reported in the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    but most mature people are probably more interested in what's in their telescopes than microbes on microscope slides
    Navel gaze at your own microbes as much as you like, but if you read the OP and many non European replies to this thread, there was little interest in the two different marches that happened yesterday, or the bank bailouts that people were complaining yesterday had led to budget cuts that threatened pensions, services and jobs.

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Navel gaze at your own microbes as much as you like
    the seismic waves that are rocking the world from athens to sacto are hardly microscopic, friend

    are you aware of andrew cuomo's state of the state

    We have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period. Our taxes are 66% higher than the national average. Upstate is truly an economic crisis. In real GDP, from 2001-2006, upstate New York grew about 1.7% per year while the average in the nation was 2.7%. The costs of pensions are exploding, 1.3 billion in 1998-1999, projected for 2013, 6.2 billion - a 476% increase and its only getting worse.

    The State of New York spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple. Our spending has far exceeded the rate of inflation. From 1994-2009, inflation was about 2.7% per year; medicaid when up over 5% per year and education went up over 6% per year. We just can’t afford those rates of increase. State spending actually outpaced income growth. State spending increased just under 6%, personal income growth was only 3.8%.

    And most damaging, our expenses in this state far exceed revenue. We’ve been focusing on this year and the deficit this year, which is a very large deficit about $10 billion, and that is a problem and it is a major problem; what’s worse, is it’s not just about this year. Next year, the problem goes to $14 billion. The year after, the deficit goes to $17 billion. This is a fundamental economic realignment for the State of New York.

    Not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return. We spend more money on education than any state in the nation and we are number 34 in terms of results. We spend more money on Medicaid than any other state in the nation and we are number 21 in results. We spend about $1.6 billion per year in economic development and we are number 50 in terms of results.

    And the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests, over the people of the State of New York. The proof is in the pudding. And New Yorkers are voting with their feet. Two million New Yorkers have left the State over the past decade. What does this say? It says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now. This is a fundamental realignment for the state. We are going to redesign our approach because the old way wasn’t working anyway, let's be honest.

    We are going to start by transforming New York’s economy. Because what made New York the Empire State was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs in the State of New York. That’s what made us the Empire State once and that’s what’s going to make us the Empire State again.

    At the heart of this State is business. And we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says New York is open for business. We get it. And this is going to be a business friendly State.

    The property taxes in New York are killing New Yorkers. Thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in New York when assessed by home value. In absolute dollars, Westchester County has the highest property taxes in the United States of America. Nassau County the second highest property taxes in the United State of America. It has to end, it has to end this year. We have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future. New York has no future as the tax capital of the nation. Our young people will not stay. Our business will not come. This has to change.

    Put it simply, the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period.
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    that's NEW YORK, neighbors

    that's SEA CHANGE, chums

    like i said, just try to stop it

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    --stay up
    One step ahead of you I'm afraid - I always had a suspicion you were going to bring this thread about a protest in London around to the USA in some way.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    -- are you aware of andrew cuomo's state of the state --

    that's NEW YORK, neighbors --
    Q.E.D.

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    the same forces that are compelling the greeks, french and brits to embrace awful austerities are squeezing as reliably progressive interests as the govt in albany, the wisonsin teachers unions, the sacto assembly as well to cry out for draconian CUTS

    it's worldwide, and there's no stopping it

    keynes is kaput

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't believe the handful of individuals who acted violently represent the British people in general any more than the rogue elements who went on a violent rampage in Seattle in 1999 during a WTO trade ministerial conference represented the American public. I fully expect that the British people will overwhelmingly remain peaceful, even those who oppose the budget cuts. I also expect that the UK government will press ahead with fiscal consolidation and, in the medium-term, the UK will be better for that decisive leadership.
    According to Pete, the violent ones are rightwingers, anarchists and criminals.
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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Getting a pay cut always makes me want to go out and do some crimes.

    It makes me feel, I don't know, important.

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    It's merely what the mobs are told to do when their leaders are confronted with maybe losing a political battle over benefits.

    Same thing happened in Wisconsin. The mobs trashed the state capitol, the legislature ended their privilege of a closed shop. The taxpayers won a round, finally.
    I wouldn't say that they were told by their leaders to do it, but these people just want their government handouts and are willing to march in the streets over it.
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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    but these people just want their government handouts
    Yes, the world really is that simple. /s

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Yes, the world really is that simple. /s
    lol, just letting you know, I'm doing this to be ironic.
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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Protests Turn Violent in London Over Budget Cuts - FoxNews.com
    Demonstrators swarm central London to protest spending cuts - CNN.com
    London protesters clash with police - World news - Europe - msnbc.com

    Protest in the U.K. turn violent during protest over the government trying to cut 100,000,000,000 dollars from the budget. Is this normal style European protest or this an example of when people become too dependent on the Government and feel entitled to all government programs?
    I think these protesters are only screwing themselves out the ability to protest. Any country that can ban so-called hate can easily ban protests against the government as a form of hate speech.
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