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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Protest in the U.K. turn violent during protest over the government trying to cut 100,000,000,000 dollars from the budget. Is this normal style European protest or this an example of when people become too dependent on the Government and feel entitled to all government programs?
    Right from the starting sentence your facts are wrong.... The thread should have died after post 3 when Mancs Skipper corrected this but I see large amounts of misinformation posted throughout all pages since.

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    You sound very Marx like....

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    -- Your argument is silly in that even if what you espose was true, its small potatoes compared to how much the goverment is ripping you off by taxing you on these social programs that are fiscally unsustainable.
    What was unsustainable was the UK govt saving the UK banks with everyone else's savings, pensions and jobs. I read one politician arguing that we should have let the banks go bust and then bought them up cheaply to make sure they worked for us. I'm not an economist enough to see all the merits of such a policy but the argument you make about European social programmes would have some merit if they had anything to do with the credit crunch or if they hadn't worked for the last 65 years...

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    -- blame the politicians not the bank.
    That's what most of us did and that's what the 500,000 peaceful marchers were doing...

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Please dont equate this with the practices of all corporations.

    This is called crony capitalism....

    This article I found explains it fairly well....

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    Crony capitalism is where private corporations recruit the government to serve their interests. Many people mistake this for an ill of capitalism.
    However, crony capitalism has more in common with socialism, than with free market capitalism. And it is actually a symptom of big powerful government, which is always necessary to implement wide reaching socialist policies.
    In this case the policy it implements is Obamas so called Green energy economy which so far hasnt produced any jobs and almost no energy.

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    You no darn well these are left wing radicals behind the violence so dont think you can pull the wool over my eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    What was unsustainable was the UK govt saving the UK banks with everyone else's savings, pensions and jobs. I read one politician arguing that we should have let the banks go bust and then bought them up cheaply to make sure they worked for us. I'm not an economist enough to see all the merits of such a policy but the argument you make about European social programmes would have some merit if they had anything to do with the credit crunch or if they hadn't worked for the last 65 years...
    You've made my point for me, the problem is so many people rely on public sector programs & this is an example of how they dont work and in the end just rip you off. You would not have this problem in a country where your pension and other benefits was not controlled by the government. A private company would be forced to pay by law.

    Also you claim that social programs had nothing to do with this, apparently you didnt read any of the articles posting in the original post where it clearly states that they are.

    That's what most of us did and that's what the 500,000 peaceful marchers were doing...
    They may blame the current government for trying to fix this mess (perhaps wrongheadedly) but the real culprits here are the Liberal nut jobs & there supporters whom implemented the unsustainable socialist like policies in the first place.
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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    You no darn well these are left wing radicals behind the violence so dont think you can pull the wool over my eyes.
    Was that to me? Were you watching the same TV pictures that showed the breakaway black clad and balaclava wearing crowd that broke away from the main group of peaceful protestors???

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    You've made my point for me, the problem is so many people rely on public sector programs & this is an example of how they dont work and in the end just rip you off. You would not have this problem in a country where your pension and other benefits was not controlled by the government. A private company would be forced to pay by law.

    Also you claim that social programs had nothing to do with this, apparently you didnt read any of the articles posting in the original post where it clearly states that they are.

    They may blame the current government for trying to fix this mess but the real culprits here are the Liberal nut jobs & there supporters whom implemented the unsustainable socialist like policies in the first place.
    You're just like the europe hating Canadians and Americans who come over to the Europe forum... the TV pictures and story is of one story yet somehow what I know and see happening in my own country is not actually what my TV stations tell me but in reality is something else that only an American can tell from 1000's of miles away completely divorced from facts on the ground.



    Maybe you can explain how the "liberal nutjobs" and "unsustainable socialist policies" caused the credit crunch which is what we mistakenly think were the reasons the banks here wee bailed out with our money?

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    the little picture is about the minority of anarcho-radicals who always show up at these things

    the big meaning is---draconian CUTS

    slashing AND burning

    taxes OFF THE TABLE

    a full HALF MILLION uk public employees about to be AXED

    from greece to sacto, brussels and madison in between---just try to stop it

    stay up

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Was that to me? Were you watching the same TV pictures that showed the breakaway black clad and balaclava wearing crowd that broke away from the main group of peaceful protestors???
    And what were they protesting? Was it the same issue that the other marchers were protesting against?

    And where were the police? Hasn't this happened before and lessons not learned?

    They should familiarize themselves with Tasers, designed just for these occasions.



    You're just like the europe hating Canadians and Americans who come over to the Europe forum... the TV pictures and story is of one story yet somehow what I know and see happening in my own country is not actually what my TV stations tell me but in reality is something else that only an American can tell from 1000's of miles away completely divorced from facts on the ground.
    Another Eurowhine from those who spend half their lives being critical of Americans! Can dish it out but cannot take it!
    Maybe you can explain how the "liberal nutjobs" and "unsustainable socialist policies" caused the credit crunch which is what we mistakenly think were the reasons the banks here wee bailed out with our money?
    Someone should obviously have explained it to those economically illiterate marchers and they'd have saved a lot of shoe leather, and not a few windows as well.
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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the little picture is about the minority of anarcho-radicals who always show up at these things
    The little picture is what this thread was about - the mistake was a lot of people who don't live here reading headlines about a breakaway group whose tactics and beliefs had nothing to do with the majority who marched peacefully.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the big meaning is---draconian CUTS

    slashing AND burning

    taxes OFF THE TABLE

    a full HALF MILLION uk public employees about to be AXED

    from greece to sacto, brussels and madison in between---just try to stop it

    stay up
    I actually voted for the Conservatives at the last election - in the long run, I believe the pain of the cuts will benefit us, we had one of the largest deficits of any western nation due to bailing our banks out from the credit crunch and it had to be dealt with sooner rather than later (in my opinion).

    I don't believe however the future of the UK should have been put at risk by the last Govt bailing out the banks to the extent they did and with the minimal provisos to get that money back from the banks that were put in place.

    Lastly, we still have the problem of UK banks not lending to small business - this was the worst crime by the previous Govt and the current one has done little to change that.

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    The little picture is what this thread was about
    if you want to look at the little, more power to you

    but most mature people are probably more interested in what's in their telescopes than microbes on microscope slides

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