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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Protests Turn Violent in London Over Budget Cuts - FoxNews.com
    Demonstrators swarm central London to protest spending cuts - CNN.com
    London protesters clash with police - World news - Europe - msnbc.com

    Protest in the U.K. turn violent during protest over the government trying to cut 100,000,000,000 dollars from the budget. Is this normal style European protest or this an example of when people become too dependent on the Government and feel entitled to all government programs?
    Just think. The US is in worse shape economically than is the UK. What's happening in the UK will happen in the US. Long live American style DE-REGULATED, Ronald Reagan style ECONOMICS.

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post


    30% of GDP??? That's extravagant.
    The US has almost 40% of GDP.

    The UK is around 45ish%. Most European countries range from lower 40s to upper 40s in % of GDP.

    Again, what is extravagant?

    Universal Healthcare? Free schools? unemployment insurance? Spending 400 dollars on a toilet seat? Going to war with countries? What is extravagant?
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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    I get a kick out of these types of violent incidents when ...notice how the news outlets & even most of the posters here will not associate which side of the political spectrum these radicals are from when we all know they are far left wingers. But then you have a tea party rally for people whom are merely esposing fiscal responsibility & at least some adherance to the constitution and you get the right wing radical mantra smeared all over the Liberal press, hypocrisy.....double standard? you bet.

    I also find it astounding the naivete of the left in seeing that it was mostly the excess of there big goverment socialist like spending programs that brought us (& Britain) to the brink. Then when the answer is clearly standing in front of them, instead of taking the common sense approach of cutting these programs to pay off the debt, they then propose more taxes, more spending & more programs as if what they've already done wasnt enough to see that it clearly doesnt work. Definition of insanity ? Some might say


    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It's a reflection of how a couple of hundred radical Left wing anarchists can steal the headlines from the biggest demonstration in years, involving people from trade unions to church groups and Womens' Institutes.
    Lets insert the true description of who were dealing with here.


    The middle class spoke out against the savage cuts being made to disability support, home care services for the elderly, Early Start programmes for toddlers, and against the general principle of making the poor pay for bankers' gambling debts while the bankers award themselves bigger and bigger bonuses.
    You sound very Marx like....

    A banking exec is paid to make money for the bank, if the board of directers think he/she is doing a good job it is there decision (in a free society) to give that exec a bonus, as many of there salaries are structured for them (incentive based) to make most of there money in bonuses based on how they perform and not in base wages. Your argument is silly in that even if what you espose was true, its small potatoes compared to how much the goverment is ripping you off by taxing you on these social programs that are fiscally unsustainable.

    Also if a bank go's under its not the governments position to hand out the taxpayer money to bail them out, they should be allowed to go thru the bankruptcy process like any other business. If a handout is given then blame the politicians not the bank.

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Well now. since the US has about the same unemployment rate as those disaffected Libyans, but the US does not have free education and housing and healthcare, does that infer that rebels will be organizing to protest in the USA and the major manipulators will be tripping over themselves to arm and support them, or is the air a bit mythy? The USA is run by and for Corporations. Corporations are "fictitious entities" that do not live and breathe and have allegiance to strong currency. Would these Corporations that own much of the media try to get more by using these "owned Media" to promote policies to take away from other beneficiaries of gov't largesse. Bet your ass on it. Corporations do not live and breathe and only survive on the "profit" motive and are definitely not patriots because they cannot shed their blood to help the people. That would be bad business. Is there something wrong with this picture. Looks like an opportunity for a genuine "neocon" to step in and straighten me out. You know what I mean, "get me on that right thinking path", the one that requires no thought.

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Well now. since the US has about the same unemployment rate as those disaffected Libyans, but the US does not have free education and housing and healthcare, does that infer that rebels will be organizing to protest in the USA and the major manipulators will be tripping over themselves to arm and support them, or is the air a bit mythy? The USA is run by and for Corporations. Corporations are "fictitious entities" that do not live and breathe and have allegiance to strong currency. Would these Corporations that own much of the media try to get more by using these "owned Media" to promote policies to take away from other beneficiaries of gov't largesse. Bet your ass on it. Corporations do not live and breathe and only survive on the "profit" motive and are definitely not patriots because they cannot shed their blood to help the people. That would be bad business. Is there something wrong with this picture. Looks like an opportunity for a genuine "neocon" to step in and straighten me out. You know what I mean, "get me on that right thinking path", the one that requires no thought.
    Yes.. you are confused, although I am not a neo-con, I am a regular conservative and will straighten you out or at least try.

    Corporations are not evil empires they are groups of citizens banded together to try & make money. They actually provide jobs and consumer goods that actually enrich many peoples lifes. The money made by these people is then spent elsewhere...hence you get the " spreading the wealth effect" as Obama would put it. I'm not sure where I see this as them taking anything from anybody, in fact the government is the one who takes (in the form of taxes and regulation) and spends profusly on programs that more often than not end up being a waste or just benefits a small number of elites (example- goverment unions) and are not held to account nearly as much as corporate execs who would be fired if they lost money in most cases. The government is the only job where you can consistantly perform poorly while wasting tax revenues & yet still get rewarded while most private companies or corporations would go bankrupt.

    The government should stay the hell out and allow free citizens who want to work and make money do so. They should be allowed to make sure companies are playing by the rules & abiding by the law but little else IMO. If all these wasted tax reveues where allowed to flow back into the free market you'd see more companies hiring and more new business's ...hence more jobs and more money for those who have the ambition to work.

    Of course you always have the deadbeats that are just looking for a handout & continue to try & vote themselves a raise or benefit with the taxpayer money which in turn hurts business and peoples ability to gain from there own hard work which in turn lowers moral & productivity.

    Alot of what you see now in London, Wisconsin and elsewhere is a product of this mentality.

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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    This imaginary mentality is a strawman. The violence did not come from the marchers, but a small band of anarchists, and was directed against the banks who got us all in this mess, yet continue to pay million pound bonuses to the perpetrators, and toward the many large companies who contrive to avoid paying most if not all of their share of taxes.
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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    This imaginary mentality is a strawman. The violence did not come from the marchers, but a small band of anarchists, and was directed against the banks who got us all in this mess, yet continue to pay million pound bonuses to the perpetrators, and toward the many large companies who contrive to avoid paying most if not all of their share of taxes.
    A few tea partiers carry around racist/misspelled/assholish signs? Just a few idiots. Liberals shouldn't say all tea partiers are racists ! (i'm still waiting on a quote where anyone actually said all)

    A few anarchists in the UK use the protests as an opportunity to do their break-stuff rampage nonsense? PSSH THOSE SPOILED SOCIALISTS ENTITLEMENTS ENTITLEMENTS RARRRR
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    Re: Violent protests in the U.K. over budget cuts?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The US has almost 40% of GDP.

    The UK is around 45ish%. Most European countries range from lower 40s to upper 40s in % of GDP.

    Again, what is extravagant?

    Universal Healthcare? Free schools? unemployment insurance? Spending 400 dollars on a toilet seat? Going to war with countries? What is extravagant?
    It's extravagant because they can't afford it.

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