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    Re: Canadian government falls, election set for May

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your shift from "I am not feeling the love in my part of Canada" to "don't like Harper enough to give him a majority again" (he didn't have a majority) has not gone unnoticed

    Here's one poll. Where's yours?

    Ipsos leadership poll boosts Harper and Layton, devastating for Ignatieff | The Hill | Blogs | Toronto Sun
    I am NOT feeling the love in my part of Canada. <=== This is true
    Canada might not like Harper enough to give him a majority. <== This is true

    How is this a shift?

    Here, let me use the poll that you cited:
    1) Harper: 49%
    2) Layton: 34%
    3) Ignatieff: 17%

    Is that a majority to you?

    PS. My personal opinion is that Harper will eke in with a majority. But it won't be from my vote.
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    Re: Canadian government falls, election set for May

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Oh really? Then this should be explained to the Provincial and Federal Health Ministries, as well as the bureaucracies who answer to them.

    Provincial/Territorial Role in Health - Health Care System Delivery - Health Canada

    Check to see who issues your own health care card, who pays the doctors and who negotiates their salaries.
    Right. Like I said, the government funds it. They do not dictate to ANY health facility how to operate. See what I sayin'?
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    Re: Canadian government falls, election set for May

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Right. Like I said, the government funds it. They do not dictate to ANY health facility how to operate. See what I sayin'?
    Are you saying that there are those who are not paid by the government working in hospitals, etc.? That those in the Canadian health care system are not being paid by the government?

    Who do you believe tells those working in hospitals, etc. how it should be operated?

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    Re: Canadian government falls, election set for May

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Then why do so many Canadians come here for healthcare? Perhaps because of those six-month waiting lists?
    That is a myth.
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    Re: Canadian government falls, election set for May

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you saying that there are those who are not paid by the government working in hospitals, etc.? That those in the Canadian health care system are not being paid by the government?

    Who do you believe tells those working in hospitals, etc. how it should be operated?

    Good gawd, Grant, do you think the nurse at the Ottawa General Hospital gets a cheque directily signed by Harper? LOL
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    Re: Canadian government falls, election set for May

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Good gawd, Grant, do you think the nurse at the Ottawa General Hospital gets a cheque directily signed by Harper? LOL
    Do you inderstand how the quote system works?

    You really don't have to guess at what I am saying as the words are appearing directly on the web page in front of you.

    Why would you ask the question about Harper and his signature? You seem at at loss here. Perhaps that is why you are still a student. Perhaps a C- average, right? In your late 20's?

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    Re: Canadian government falls, election set for May

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I am NOT feeling the love in my part of Canada. <=== This is true
    Canada might not like Harper enough to give him a majority. <== This is true

    How is this a shift?

    Here, let me use the poll that you cited:
    1) Harper: 49%
    2) Layton: 34%
    3) Ignatieff: 17%

    Is that a majority to you?

    PS. My personal opinion is that Harper will eke in with a majority. But it won't be from my vote.
    I live here but can't vote so that gives me a bit more objectivity. At this point, I think Harper stands a decent chance of getting a majority, but it's only because the conservative aspect of the parties is concentrated into one party, the CPC. The liberal ideologies are spread out over 2-3 other parties so it's easier for the liberals to be divided.

    When the conservatives formed their coalition party years ago, they paved the way for this day. All they needed was one big scandal for the liberal government to fall, which it got with the sponsorship scandal. The liberals also have a clear lack of effective leadership. I value a lot of the liberal platform but Michael Ignatieff is not leadership material.

    The fact that the Harper government is blatantly corrupt and has been found in contempt of parliament (a crime in Canada) will probably not be enough to get the conservatives tossed out.

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    Re: Canadian government falls, election set for May

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Pull My Finger: People aren't just denied, they do die waiting for care. That is why the Quebec Supreme Court ruled a waiting list does not constitute medical care. I know someone right at this minute who had an eye op go bad in Kanuckistan. This person went to the doc time after time... of course waiting their turn every time during those 18-months. If this person hadn't been persistent they wouldn't be on a further waiting list to get their eye repaired. In the US this would have be handles 18-months ago.
    Let me reiterate the first claim of my original post: “I won’t claim our healthcare system is without its faults...”

    I can’t disagree that ‘waiting’ is not care. Seems the courts spent another boatload to state the obvious. If a condition worsens while waiting, which contributes to their death despite going to Emergency, of course this would be one of the faults I alluded to. I have heard the horror stories, and have jumped through the hoops myself. I am not blind to the problems in our country that go far beyond healthcare, but are part and parcel of why our healthcare system has deteriorated.

    I pay taxes, and a monthly bill in my particular province to have healthcare. I am under no illusions that our healthcare is ‘free’. I don’t think ANY Canadian is under that illusion, or thinks our healthcare is perfect – even the ‘dumbest’ of my friends. And as liblady acknowledged, I think there have been operations gone bad in your country as well, while you do have better ‘recourse’ when it happens – you can sue for hot coffee, or getting fat on Big Macs too. Canadians love those stories.

    While I may have several beefs with your country, I do refrain from referring to Americans by all the names used up here that I dislike as well, to remain adult and avoid inflaming the situation beyond necessary. This is not something I can say for those I run into who like to berate Canada in return because they are personally offended, despite my delicate entry regarding a post I felt was made in ignorance.

    As a Canadian, I know less about my own country than I do about yours. As that same Canadian, I probably know more about your country, mine, and the world, than a large percentage of Americans – to no fault of their own, just American media.

    Canada is just as corrupt, I have the same problems with our leaders and systems as I do yours, I won’t play favorites. None of it matters thanks to the SPP/NAU, whatever you want to call it… (derail within a derail?) You will have ‘socialist’ healthcare whether you want it or not because that is what our ‘leaders’ want. Obama, Bush, Rep, Dem? Snore… Our problems are far deeper, and worsened for partisan addicts like yourself. You don’t even know you’re part of the problem…

    My mistake was not quoting the specific post I was after. I’ll be more careful next time. The thread was about the election, not healthcare in the first place.

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    Re: Canadian government falls, election set for May

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you inderstand how the quote system works?

    You really don't have to guess at what I am saying as the words are appearing directly on the web page in front of you.

    Why would you ask the question about Harper and his signature? You seem at at loss here. Perhaps that is why you are still a student. Perhaps a C- average, right? In your late 20's?
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    Re: Canadian government falls, election set for May

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I am NOT feeling the love in my part of Canada. <=== This is true
    Canada might not like Harper enough to give him a majority. <== This is true

    How is this a shift?

    Here, let me use the poll that you cited:
    1) Harper: 49%
    2) Layton: 34%
    3) Ignatieff: 17%

    Is that a majority to you?

    PS. My personal opinion is that Harper will eke in with a majority. But it won't be from my vote.

    "Not feeling the love", as you claimed to be happening in your corner of Canada, has nada to do with a majority rule for the Harper. To put things in perspective you could have mentioned that Ignatieff and Layton are feeling even less love.

    And of course not once did I mention a majority or minority government. That's all your idea and a sidewinding shift from your earlier statement regarding "feeling the love".

    And all of this shifting about on your part is because you have no idea who runs health care in Canada. NDP, right?

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