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    Re: G.E.ís Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It really is quite stunning, that a poster, any poster in here can open a three paragraph rant with the basic message that conservatives do little more than trumpet talk radio, and FOXNews pundits, while at the same time making his argument as if it driveled off the lips of Cris Matthews.
    I have literally never watched Hardball. I would never get any news from a 24-hour, TV news network. Sorry to burst your bubble. Also, almost every conservative I've ever argued with uses the same talking points that republicans on the Hill are discussing (which is then passed down to Fox News and conservative talk radio). The union-bashing is a great example of it. Three months ago if I asked a conservative what the greatest threat to America is, what answer do you think I would have gotten?

    I think almost every one would have said health care. Now it's unions destroying business. I rarely argued with conservatives over unions until Fox News and conservative talk radio began discussing it. What percentage of conservatives do you think had ever concerned themselves with teachers in WI before all of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh no, another person that gets their news from a quasi satirical faux news comedy show. I suppose this doesn't play into your hatred for FOX does it?
    I love the Daily Show. It's funny how much conservatives hate the show, considering all he really does is take clips of what they say and then play them back. My favorite episode is when he caught Fox News calling their partial owner a terrorist. It was classic. How you can support an organization that willingly called their owner a terrorist just so that they could support a partisan agenda is beyond me. You justify it, I can't.

    Jon Stewart does a great job at pointing out how fake of a channel Fox News is. I am sorry that upsets you.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yet instead of critical thinking, and you questioning anything that goes against what you find sophomorically funny on the Daily Show, and yet another talking point pap comment, you lap it up and accuse the other side of being sheep....You have learned Allensky well son.
    Talk down to me if you must, if it makes you feel better. First of all, do your research on me before you attack me. I don't post Media Matters links. I have never even been to their website (except maybe in passing from a link posted here). I don't watch Fox News - how can anyone? - but I do listen to conservative talk radio all the time. It's amazing how bad it is, how it rarely has one fact thrown in with the thousands of partisan jibes, and how absolutely useless it is to listen to.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "Reclaiming" Just who's money do you think you are talking about here?


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    Whose money was it when you lowered taxes for the rich? Why is raising taxes wealth redistribution and lowering it isn't? You realize how phony that is, right?

    What I am trying to say is, j-mac, (or since I'm your son: father?), is don't phone it in when you debate with me. I know my stuff: I read real news, and I keep up to date with honest reports.

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    And did you really post some blog as evidence of wrong doing by Media Matters? You posted a source just like Media Matters to discredit them. That's awesome man. Way to go.
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    Re: G.E.ís Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have no problems with targeted tax cuts that actually help our economy. What I am opposed to is continued across the board tax cuts for the wealthy whether they are creating jobs or not.
    You just contradicted yourself.


    That just increases the national debt for which you and I and the rest of the middle class are responsible for.
    Government spending creates debt, not tax cuts.

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    Re: G.E.ís Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You just contradicted yourself.
    It would only seem that way to those who foolishly believe that all rich people that gets tax cuts have been creating jobs. We have 30 years of experience to demonstrate that is not so.


    Government spending creates debt, not tax cuts.
    The unfunded tax cuts increase our debt the same as any other spending, and it is not realistic that we can address our debt unless we address all unnecessary spending including the unfunded tax cuts to the rich.
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    Re: G.E.ís Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It would only seem that way to those who foolishly believe that all rich people that gets tax cuts have been creating jobs. We have 30 years of experience to demonstrate that is not so.
    You realize that when bog businesses get across the board tax cuts, those same tax cuts apply to small businesses, as well; and vice versa when taxes are raised?




    The unfunded tax cuts increase our debt the same as any other spending, and it is not realistic that we can address our debt unless we address all unnecessary spending including the unfunded tax cuts to the rich.
    In that case, we need to start making the people who never pay taxes kick in and anty up.

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    Re: G.E.ís Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You realize that when bog businesses get across the board tax cuts, those same tax cuts apply to small businesses, as well; and vice versa when taxes are raised?
    That is why Obama proposed extending tax cuts to small businesses and to discontinue the across the board tax cuts for those that are wealthy and are not creating jobs.





    In that case, we need to start making the people who never pay taxes kick in and anty up.
    I don't know anyone that works that doesn't pay taxes.
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    Re: G.E.ís Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is why Obama proposed extending tax cuts to small businesses and to discontinue the across the board tax cuts for those that are wealthy and are not creating jobs.
    Care to post some links, because I haven't seen **** for a tax cut in my small business.







    I don't know anyone that works that doesn't pay taxes.
    You don't know anyone that doesn't qualify for the earned income credit?

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    Re: G.E.ís Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Care to post some links, because I haven't seen **** for a tax cut in my small business.
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    You don't know anyone that doesn't qualify for the earned income credit?
    Oh you mean those that spend so much of their income on survival that to tax them more would put them on the welfare roles? What will that serve? If you want to tax the poor more, you are going to have to pay them more. Its not possible to get blood from a turnip.
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    Re: G.E.ís Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    no more moot than the class war

    obama surrendered

    Obama signs tax deal into law - CNN
    You might see "the class war" as pejorative but I embrace it because it says exactly what is going on. It is a fiscal war between a "ruling class" with power and money, a "scraping by" class that is clinging to the crumbs left over, a "waged subsistence" class and an "underclass".

    The "ruling class" holds the aces.
    The "scraping class" holds on to what it has for dear life and doesn't want to rock the boat.
    The "waged subsistence" class tries to collectivise to obtain power but is despised by both the "ruling" and "scraping" classes. By one for trying to usurp power and by the other for rocking the boat.
    The "underclass" are maintained as a warning for the "scraping" and "waged subsistence" classes.

    Too right it is class warfare!

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    Re: G.E.ís Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by William Rea View Post
    You might see "the class war" as pejorative but I embrace it because it says exactly what is going on.
    why would you presume that folks care what you do or don't embrace

    the ruling class, presumably, includes president obama

    he CAVED

    mature americans care about that

    party on, pugilist

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    Re: G.E.ís Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I have literally never watched Hardball. I would never get any news from a 24-hour, TV news network. Sorry to burst your bubble.
    I never said you did, however you make arguments that are typical of many hard core liberals I encounter that do. So, 'burst my bubble'? Nah, I don't think that it is some great rhetorical achievement to call out a lib on their views, wrong as they are most often, I just see it as maybe a service that you have at least one voice that may get something through so that when you finally wake up, you'll be able to say yeah, that was right.

    Also, almost every conservative I've ever argued with uses the same talking points that republicans on the Hill are discussing (which is then passed down to Fox News and conservative talk radio). The union-bashing is a great example of it. Three months ago if I asked a conservative what the greatest threat to America is, what answer do you think I would have gotten?
    Oh, I don't know all conservatives so I really couldn't say for certain, but I can tell you what I would have told you....Debt, Spending, Islam, and Obama, not necessarily in that order.

    I love the Daily Show. It's funny how much conservatives hate the show, considering all he really does is take clips of what they say and then play them back.
    Don't get me wrong, I too watch it and think that Stewart is funny for what he is, but I surely don't take it as news. See what Stewart does is he mocks certain aspects of people, and or DC politics, chops up bit pieces out of context of the people he attacks, and then presents it as though it is complete to make a point, often a liberal point, but a disingenuous one in any case. It is funny sure, just not too accurate.

    My favorite episode is when he caught Fox News calling their partial owner a terrorist. It was classic. How you can support an organization that willingly called their owner a terrorist just so that they could support a partisan agenda is beyond me. You justify it, I can't.
    First of all that was debated right here on DP in a thread, you should go back find it and read it. Second, you think that TDS depiction of FOXNews on that matter was complete, and accurate?

    Jon Stewart does a great job at pointing out how fake of a channel Fox News is. I am sorry that upsets you.
    No, he does a great job of employing a staff of liberal content writers, and clip editors that manipulate the stories of the day to make them funny and make a liberal point, you lap it up as though it is complete, and comprehensive news...That say a whole lot more about you pal.

    Talk down to me if you must, if it makes you feel better. First of all, do your research on me before you attack me. I don't post Media Matters links. I have never even been to their website (except maybe in passing from a link posted here). I don't watch Fox News - how can anyone? - but I do listen to conservative talk radio all the time. It's amazing how bad it is, how it rarely has one fact thrown in with the thousands of partisan jibes, and how absolutely useless it is to listen to.
    So you are telling me that your news sources are TDS, and Conservative talk radio? Yeah, sell me another one....I find that unbelievable.

    Whose money was it when you lowered taxes for the rich? Why is raising taxes wealth redistribution and lowering it isn't? You realize how phony that is, right?
    Phony? no, correct yes. See, when you lower the tax rate, and I mean actually lower it, not just give Tax credits that are designed to control the populations behavior, that lets people keep the money they have earned.

    Do you believe that people earn money, or that the government just lets them keep some of its money?

    What I am trying to say is, j-mac, (or since I'm your son: father?), is don't phone it in when you debate with me. I know my stuff: I read real news, and I keep up to date with honest reports.
    What are those sources for real? I've laid mine out from time to time in here, what are yours truthfully?

    And did you really post some blog as evidence of wrong doing by Media Matters? You posted a source just like Media Matters to discredit them. That's awesome man. Way to go.
    Actually it was an opinion piece talking about an article in Politico, exposing MM for the juvenile, and possibly illegal crap they are pulling....Tell me, if People like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh (who's not on FNS), or Bill O were so laughably wrong about what is going on today, then why the Sabotage effort by Soros and MM? Why not just point out where they are wrong, laugh at them and move on? Nah, they are hitting too close, and it bug liberals to be exposed in such a way, and that FNS has the news viewership locked up by in many cases more than double their nearest competitor on the networks, or cable outlets, and that makes me chuckle when I hear the vitriolic attacks that Bourgeois Socialist such as yourself, new in life, fresh from academia with a head full of what your quasi socialist profs told you to think, and say without having the benefit of life experience, or knowing the ramifications of the thought which you espouse. Marx has a term for them, 'useful idiots'... And I don't say that to be insulting, but it is what it is.

    See, you seem to think that you are open minded, and fair when it comes to debate, but in the end really you are really no different than the insulting, frothing ideologue who resorts to mockery, and name calling when you run out of boiler plate retort. That doesn't make you anything other than young. I'll leave it there for now and just close by saying you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss, and mock just because everyone else with your line of thought does so.


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