• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

The key issue in 2012 will be the exact same key issue every of every other election, the economy.

obama's in BIG trouble

so is mccaskill, the nelsons, tester, whoever runs for conrad's seat, whoever for webb's...

maybe y'all could remind folks about the gays

but, shh...

don't tell em how holder's doj compared gay marriage in CA circuit to incest and having relations with teens

i'll do it for you, no worry
 
Last edited:
DADT is going to be so hard to defend..."oh, the military wanted it, it was the right thing to do, America wanted it, we did it".

The key issue in 2012 will be the exact same key issue every of every other election, the economy.

gop doesn't care about the economy... look what they are doing now.. it's all anti abortion stuff, and some spending bills when they are willing to actually work and work with the other party
 
Romney had it locked up until Huckabee and McCain made their little deal with the devil for McCain. Romney would have wiped up the floor with Obama.

j-mac

What deal is that? Palin
 
gop doesn't care about the economy... look what they are doing now.. it's all anti abortion stuff, and some spending bills when they are willing to actually work and work with the other party

That's true. Like I said before, if they focus on social conservativism, they will most certainly not be getting my vote.
 
obama's in BIG trouble

so is mccaskill, the nelsons, tester, whoever runs for conrad's seat, whoever for webb's...

maybe y'all could remind folks about the gays

but, shh...

don't tell em how holder's doj compared gay marriage in CA circuit to incest and having relations with teens

i'll do it for you, no worry

And at this time before the 2008 election Clinton was going to walk away with it. Do you think before you post your same recycled crap?
 
gop doesn't care about the economy... look what they are doing now.. it's all anti abortion stuff, and some spending bills when they are willing to actually work and work with the other party

When the demo's actually get serious about cutting spending let us know.


j-mac
 
And at this time before the 2008 election Clinton was going to walk away with it.

run on the economy, friend, by all means

knock yourself out

Do you think before you post your same recycled crap?

ah, the voice of post-personal moderation, once again

party on, inspector
 
Romney had it locked up until Huckabee and McCain made their little deal with the devil for McCain. Romney would have wiped up the floor with Obama.

j-mac

And then done what? Implemented Romney-care? (which by the way, is awfully similar to Obama-care).
 
When the demo's actually get serious about cutting spending let us know.

That'll happen around the same time the GOP decides to get serious about balancing the budget instead of going after their enemies.
 
When the demo's actually get serious about cutting spending let us know.


j-mac

When the GOPers actually offer a spending bill that will actually pass, let me know... The bills aren't controversial because the Democrats love to spend. GOP spending bills are controversial because they are unprecedented and not considered favorable by many people. All the GOP is doing is appeasing their base while accomplishing nothing, and the same old suckers keep falling for it.
 
When the demo's actually get serious about cutting spending let us know.


j-mac

Neither party is serious about cutting anything. Also, the democrats don't even run on fiscal conservativism.
 
Neither party is serious about cutting anything. Also, the democrats don't even run on fiscal conservativism.

Bill Clinton actually balanced the budget though... where is praise from the Conservatives?
 
The only area he has done a lot in, is gay rights... and I happen to agree with everything he's done there.

As for viable candidates, some would argue the Obama wasn't one himself... He didn't have experience, McCain did, but he kicked the crap out of McCain in the voting booth.

What has BHO done for Gay Rights?

As I recall he was against Gay marriage, and although Gay rights are important to some, it is not a high priority issue on most people's minds.
 
Bill Clinton actually balanced the budget though... where is praise from the Conservatives?

He certainly had no intention of balancing the budget but Congress controlled the purse strings.

Remember Hillarycare?

But it is good to see that others believe balancing a budget is important and a good thing. Do you think Obama will ever be able to accomplish the feat?
 
Last edited:
He certainly had no intention of balancing the budget but Congress controlled the purse strings.

Remember Hillarycare?

But it is good to see that others believe balancing a budget is important and a good thing. Do you think Obama will ever be able to accomplish the feat?

And the GOP controlled the purse strings when GWB was running up the debt his first term, and half of his second... wtf happened?
 
And the GOP controlled the purse strings when GWB was running up the debt his first term, and half of his second... wtf happened?

They need the Democrats to actually do it. And the Democrats need the Republicans to do it.
 
They need the Democrats to actually do it. And the Democrats need the Republicans to do it.

It makes sense... Each party ONLY complains about the debt when the other party is in office. I think, everybody noticed how the GOP didn't say sh*t about the debt, until Obama was sworn in... :lamo :lamo
 
obama's record, framework for the 2012 campaign:

unemployment in despair, smallest work force in 25 years, not even enough jobs to keep up with population, let alone lift us out, despite almost a trillion spent on the obscene s-word the president can no longer pronounce

DEBT that has even alice rivlin, clinton's chief econ adviser, warning of a greek-like collapse, hyper inflation and DOUBLE DIP

housing thru the basement, no bottom in sight, no answers from the white house (except the exemption of fannie and fred from the reg reform), half those hamped have already redefaulted

high prices---food, oil, consumables---and all the pain associated with inflation, the fully foreseeable fallout from 2.5T of qe

the states submerged in hopeless sinkholes, no way out, substantially exacerbated by obamacare's massive mandates in the form of unfunded medicaid expansion

obamacare---the mandates, the taxes, the exemptions, the half tril cuts to medicare while expanding it, the bankrupting of the states...

the party's persisent efforts to tax ENERGY, both production and consumption, in the midst of our malaise, an almost unamerican approach

the WAR in afghanistan, casualites there up 400% since the administration ESCALATED, up against its self imposed july deadline, dependent on the likes of the corrupt and kooky karzai for ultimate success

the intervention in libya---if gadaffi stays we're humiliated, if he goes we're STUCK THERE

and then there's THE MAN, barack hussein, perception of whom always plays so central a part in americans' bottom line acceptance or rejection of their president

this is THE MAN who sued the people of arizona, wants to move ksm to manhattan (why does weiner want out), tries to obstruct the drillers in the gulf via the appellate process

he's also THE FELLA whose doj argued in CA circuit comparing gay marriage to some rather objectionable practices, offensive to those less libertine, at least

where does obama stand on gay marriage, by the way?

THE MAN---an indecisive ditherer, amateur and unprofessional, out of touch with his responsibilities

and that's HILLARY's assessment

he's also astonishingly unfamiliar with the american disposition---this is the president, we recall, who asked us to rat out our neighbors for expressing fishy thoughts, who declared he did not want to hear from citizens who disagreed with him, who proclaimed it would all be so much easier if he were only president of china, according to the ny times

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/11/world/africa/11policy.html

why did obama PUNT the crucial relationship between every american and his or her irs until he ran out of clock?

in other words, what does HILLARY know that you don't?

seeya at the polls, pals
 
Last edited:
Bill Clinton actually balanced the budget though... where is praise from the Conservatives?

clinton was a master politician who deeply understood the american people

barack, in contrast, is a rank amateur (according to hillary) in way over his head

and his perception of american politics is almost alien

stay up
 
And then done what? Implemented Romney-care? (which by the way, is awfully similar to Obama-care).

Romney care was a disaster, especially after Romney left office and the libs up there tampered with it, but in any case, he tried on the state level, which is where this argument should be.

j-mac
 
Bill Clinton actually balanced the budget though... where is praise from the Conservatives?

Actually, Clinton gave a great lesson in smoke and mirrors....

While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it's curious to see Clinton's record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion.

Verifying this is as simple as accessing the U.S. Treasury (see note about this link below) website where the national debt is updated daily and a history of the debt since January 1993 can be obtained. Considering the government's fiscal year ends on the last day of September each year, and considering Clinton's budget proposal in 1993 took effect in October 1993 and concluded September 1994 (FY1994), here's the national debt at the end of each year of Clinton Budgets:

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

Now come on SW, you can do better than this old, debunked, and tired line....


j-mac
 
And the GOP controlled the purse strings when GWB was running up the debt his first term, and half of his second... wtf happened?

Two unfunded wars.

Unfunded prescription drugs bill.

Unregulated markets -- welfare to corps.
 
Back
Top Bottom