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    Re: Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    I found it interesting that not a single one of Bachmann's statements on PolitiFact is more than "half-true".
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    For awhile all of her claims on politifact were either categorized as "false" or "pants on fire." Only after the SOTU response did she finally climb out of the gutter. Why the GOP would want a candidate who is so out of touch with reality, I have no idea.
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    Re: Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I thought she did pretty awful in that debate... The best presentation she did was at the RNC, but she didn't take questions and it was a rehearsed speech with a teleprompter.
    As I recall polls said at the time that she won that debate.

    Perhaps less was expected of her because of her inexperience, and Biden had been in the Senate for a great many years and that might have made a difference, but you can watch it here for yourself.

    Sarah Palin and Joe Biden Vice Presidential Debate – Full Video | HollywoodGrind

    If the debate were to be held now I believe, given her greater experience, she would win easily.

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    Re: Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    Yes they are! But they are quite happy to call you names.
    Name calling and attempts at ridicule makes up a great deal of their political debate, Marshabar, and is intended to replace any discussion of the issues, where they tend to be very weak.

    Charles Krauthammer made the point last week or so that the Left believes the Right are evil and the Right believes the Left to be stupid. I think there is a great deal of truth in that.

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    Re: Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

    a lot of namecalling, yes

    also attempts to claim you're changing the subject if, for example, you bring up examples of obama's numerous inanities to counter charges against bachmann

    a thread about how stupid is the minnesota tea drinker can naturally evolve to include mrs alaska, for instance

    but NOT the president of the united states, he's untouchable

    ie, NOT fair game

    it's also common around here to have a LINK from the new york times kicked back with a comment like, "you're just parroting what you heard on beck"

    LOL!

    all of which just goes to show how desperately bereft these days is the pissed off posse

    in other words, all the news is BAD

    party on, peeps, seeya at the polls

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    Re: Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And Sarah Palin never said "I can see Russia from my house." But it's funnier that way.

    Quayle was absolutely useless, which is why he almost got replaced in '92....

    Why do I even bother? The conservatives here will defend to the death anybody who writes an "R" after their name.
    That's because the attacks from the Left tend to be personal, such as calling Sarah Palin "an idiot". She is far from being an idiot and every rational person knows that, so these unimaginative schoolyard taunts, in the past at least, have only discouraged debate. But now the right is beginning to strike back in similar terms.

    They will now call Obama "an idiot" and the Left will respond with "racist".

    Perhaps this low level clash is necessary in order for more people to realize how foolish it actually is and that the bar might be raised somewhat in order that more serious and direct issues can be discussed. These questions should involve the country and its future and not the team sport of party politics,

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    Re: Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's because the attacks from the Left tend to be personal, such as calling Sarah Palin "an idiot". She is far from being an idiot and every rational person knows that, so these unimaginative schoolyard taunts, in the past at least, have only discouraged debate. But now the right is beginning to strike back in similar terms.

    They will now call Obama "an idiot" and the Left will respond with "racist".

    Perhaps this low level clash is necessary in order for more people to realize how foolish it actually is and that the bar might be raised somewhat in order that more serious and direct issues can be discussed. These questions should involve the country and its future and not the team sport of party politics,
    Straw men and irony in the same post. Very good.
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    Re: Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Straw men and irony in the same post. Very good.
    Thanks.

    But why not use some schoolyard taunts in the debate as well? That should solidify your position in Krauthammer's description of the Left.

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    Re: Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    While I wouldn't vote for Bachmann, she is vastly superior in experience and acumen to Barack Obama.
    How does a congressman from Minnesota, who spent a far amount of time in the minority party (non-leadership) have "vastly superior experience" as a President than a guy who actually is the President and has had the job for four years?..... Conservatives make less and less sense all the time.
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    Re: Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    How does a congressman from Minnesota, who spent a far amount of time in the minority party (non-leadership) have "vastly superior experience" as a President than a guy who actually is the President and has had the job for four years?..... Conservatives make less and less sense all the time.
    I'm sure others will point this out but until then we can measure BHO's experience from his time in the Illinois Senate (where was later caught in a lie during his time there, and where his usual response was "Present") to his time in the US Senate (where his usual response was "Present"). In fact Obama said that his experience at running a Presidential campaign qualified him to be President, notwithstanding that he never actually ran the campaign.

    And of course he has not yet been President for four years, though you imply that through his time spent as President he now has more experience and could reasonably be expected to improve. But, sadly, we have yet seen a sign of any presidential qualifications and still no signs of improvement.

    While the Left might have the audacity to Hope for some improvements in President Obama, there is yet no indication that he can possibly Change. All that is left are some fringe elements of the past hopes, but without the evidence or substance to support these feelings.
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    Re: Adviser: Bachmann likely to enter WH race

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    For awhile all of her claims on politifact were either categorized as "false" or "pants on fire." Only after the SOTU response did she finally climb out of the gutter. Why the GOP would want a candidate who is so out of touch with reality, I have no idea.
    The growing fringe base loves her. So the GOP needs her to keep the Fring-ergy flowing.

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