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Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

TheDemSocialist said:
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Ok, your whole response is garbage. I will agree that Hugo Chavez hasn’t yet solidified his position as the permanent dictator of Venezuela but he obviously has dictatorial powers right now, as he made clear to the assembly when he called them little Yankees who can’t make any laws.

Hitler came to power legally too. Just because someone gains dictator power within the confines of the law of his land doesn’t mean he isn’t a dictator. A dictator, according to Webster Dictionary is “a person granted absolute emergency power; one holding complete autocratic control; one ruling absolutely and often oppressively”.

That pretty much sums up Hugo Chavez right now. The question is, will things change when his power runs out just before the 2012 elections or will there be another Hitler like emergency that requires his opponents to be jailed or his “rule by presidential creed” to be extended?

We shall see.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Hitler was not democratically elected first off. He was appointed.. He was appointed Chancellor of Germany. Hitler rose to power through the Nazi Party and used intimidation and try to put him in a position of power. In 1933, under pressure from the Nazi Party and the ineptitude of his own subordinates to deal with Hitler, President Hindenberg appointed Hitler as Chancellor.
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In the 1933 German federal election, the National Socialist German Workers Party won the election and got the Enabling Act of 1933 passed, which promoted Hitler from Chancellor to President/dictator. It was all legal, according to German law just as everything Hugo Chavez does is legal according to Venezuelan law.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Ok, your whole response is garbage. I will agree that Hugo Chavez hasn’t yet solidified his position as the permanent dictator of Venezuela but he obviously has dictatorial powers right now, as he made clear to the assembly when he called them little Yankees who can’t make any laws.

Hitler came to power legally too. Just because someone gains dictator power within the confines of the law of his land doesn’t mean he isn’t a dictator. A dictator, according to Webster Dictionary is “a person granted absolute emergency power; one holding complete autocratic control; one ruling absolutely and often oppressively”.

That pretty much sums up Hugo Chavez right now. The question is, will things change when his power runs out just before the 2012 elections or will there be another Hitler like emergency that requires his opponents to be jailed or his “rule by presidential creed” to be extended?

We shall see.
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I wouldnt call it "garbage"? Is it garbage because you dont agree with it?
How is he acting oppressively? He does not have "complete control". He has control in like 3 or 4 sectors. Also which you would of learned from my last post is that these laws can be modified or rescinded by the National Assembly at any time and the population has the guaranteed right under our constitution to nullify any of these laws through a national referendum.... Also a law passed under the decree people have powers on deciding how to spend local development funds, the project grants self-governance under Community ruling.. Doesnt really sound like much of this "dictator". Also executive order much? Pretty much the same thing.......
Yea and on the Enabling Act see the thing is, that the Enabling Act allowed the cabinet to enact legislation, including laws deviating from or altering the constitution, without the consent of the Reichstag. Also and the Reichstag was mostly locked up in jail because of the Reichstage Fire Decree.... Also the people really did not have a say in this soo Hitler was pretty much put in to power by one person: Hindenburg.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I wouldnt call it "garbage"? Is it garbage because you dont agree with it?
How is he acting oppressively? He does not have "complete control". He has control in like 3 or 4 sectors. Also which you would of learned from my last post is that these laws can be modified or rescinded by the National Assembly at any time and the population has the guaranteed right under our constitution to nullify any of these laws through a national referendum.... Also a law passed under the decree people have powers on deciding how to spend local development funds, the project grants self-governance under Community ruling.. Doesnt really sound like much of this "dictator". Also executive order much? Pretty much the same thing.......
Yea and on the Enabling Act see the thing is, that the Enabling Act allowed the cabinet to enact legislation, including laws deviating from or altering the constitution, without the consent of the Reichstag. Also and the Reichstag was mostly locked up in jail because of the Reichstage Fire Decree.... Also the people really did not have a say in this soo Hitler was pretty much put in to power by one person: Hindenburg.
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Look, I will concede that Chavez was democratically elected but that was after he tried to take over via a coupe and was subsequently pardoned (that blows me away). The guy has total power right now and he has had it for years.

I really don’t care to research the POS anymore because he is rabidly anti American and I am an American. That makes him my enemy. I wish him a quick demise and hope that you come to your senses soon.

We will see whether he uses more Hitler like tactics to oppress any opposition in the upcoming 2012 election but my money is on Chavez winning something like 99% of the vote just like the elections in other totalitarian regimes always go.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
Which US powers of the executive branch are you referring to? I'm having trouble recalling anything even remotely similar to the powers Chavez has.
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I'm sorry unless you're a political scientist specializing in venezuelan politics I really think you cant take that and put it where the sun doesn't shine. Dictator my balls hes been elected only 6-7 times.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Look, I will concede that Chavez was democratically elected but that was after he tried to take over via a coupe and was subsequently pardoned (that blows me away). The guy has total power right now and he has had it for years.

I really don’t care to research the POS anymore because he is rabidly anti American and I am an American. That makes him my enemy. I wish him a quick demise and hope that you come to your senses soon.

We will see whether he uses more Hitler like tactics to oppress any opposition in the upcoming 2012 election but my money is on Chavez winning something like 99% of the vote just like the elections in other totalitarian regimes always go.
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Come back when you know what youre talking about.
 
OscarB63 said:
can't really blame him, he's just repeating what Sean Penn told him.
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Are you trying to keep Danny Glover from getting any credit?
 
SE102 said:
I'm sorry unless you're a political scientist specializing in venezuelan politics I really think you cant take that and put it where the sun doesn't shine. Dictator my balls hes been elected only 6-7 times.
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Saddam Hussein was elected too.
 
American said:
Saddam Hussein was elected too.
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Yeah, but the international community wouldnt have to do a double take to know the elections were false. Venezuela has had relatively little trouble with the international community regarding the fairness of elections. Not only this, the new government has plenty of opposition representatives. It's not a one party state. Chavez, though derided by the west and alot of foreign media isn't exactly a clown. He's merely got more bark than is good for him.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Maybe that's because it is totalitarian? just a guess.
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Have you noticed that the DemSocialist knows what's going on in Venezuela and you do not. Food for thought. See Doc Feelgood about getting your ears bobbed.
 
As usual, Chavez has things backwards. Venus was before, its atmosphere is greenhouse gas. The sun is getting larger; Mars is next.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Look, I will concede that Chavez was democratically elected but that was after he tried to take over via a coupe and was subsequently pardoned (that blows me away). The guy has total power right now and he has had it for years.

I really don’t care to research the POS anymore because he is rabidly anti American and I am an American. That makes him my enemy. I wish him a quick demise and hope that you come to your senses soon.

We will see whether he uses more Hitler like tactics to oppress any opposition in the upcoming 2012 election but my money is on Chavez winning something like 99% of the vote just like the elections in other totalitarian regimes always go.
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Funny thing is every time a new Venezuelan election comes around the US corporate ran media are the only people saying "ohh he wont let them happen", "ohh they are corrupt." And what happens? An election.. Not to mention a very fair election..

An executive order is very very similar (maybe even the same) as the Rule By Decree whole thing going on right now...

Still have no idea how you are comparing Hitler to Chavez. Let me try to lay lthis out for you one more time... Yes Hitler was appointed Chancelor of Germany through "legal means". But lets look at these "legal means". After the Reichstag Fire a decree passed called the Reichstag Fire Decree, people were locked up who were considered questionable.. Many of the minority (and many majority) members of the Reichstag were locked up without question... The Reichstag basically diapered. And under the Enabling Act it allowed the cabinet to enact legislation, including laws deviating from or altering the constitution, without the consent of the Reichstag. So pretty much what that is saying is that they put Hitler in power without even consending the Reichstag (which was pretty much all locked up in prison on "suspension") and they did not even consent to the people of Germany. Now once Hitler was in power he had total authority in all areas, was not "re-elected", and was "Fuhrer", cult of personality around himself...
Now how does this compare to Chavez? Well saying Chavez was democratically elected (i believe 6 times) by the people. He received his rule of decree through a full assembly not a locked up assembly and the decree powers were required to go through the National Assembly and it passed a law. Now Chavez does not have this decree power for life he only has it for i believe 15 more months. Also unlike Hitler (still shocked your trying to compare these two) these laws can be modified or rescinded by the National Assembly at any time and the population has the guaranteed right under our constitution to nullify any of these laws through a national referendum.
Im sorry but your whole post of Hitler=Chavez was just terrible.
 
GPS_Flex said:
By “supporters of the US economic policy” I assume you mean those who refused to support Chavez.

Sounds like what a dictator would do/say to me.
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Straw man argument just how he "wont hold elections in 2012".
Same thing was said 2000, and 2006... But elections were held...
 
Other nations have the right to decide what form of government they want and as painful as it sounds...They only operate with a strong man in charge and thats where guys like Chavez jump in.
 
Oh no they operate fine without a strong man... operate for the United States. :lol:
 
(Reuters) - Capitalism may be to blame for the lack of life on the planet Mars, Venezuela's socialist President Hugo Chavez said on Tuesday.

"I have always said, heard, that it would not be strange that there had been civilization on Mars, but maybe capitalism arrived there, imperialism arrived and finished off the planet," Chavez said in speech to mark World Water Day.

And in other news...

Socialism, communism and the Jews may be at fault for sinking the lost city of Atlantis, according to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
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Still have no idea how you are comparing Hitler to Chavez.
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National Ideological Police, tasked with enforcing the state-supported and imposed ideology; he has a national political police force - basically, brown shirts. I could go on, but that is sufficient to raise the eyebrows of any even slightly critical mind.
 
ecofarm said:
National Ideological Police, tasked with enforcing the state-supported and imposed ideology; he has a national political police force - basically, brown shirts. I could go on, but that is sufficient to raise the eyebrows of any even slightly critical mind.
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Do you have a source for this "National Ideological Police"? Or are you talking about the newly formed Militias?
 
ecofarm said:
National Ideological Police, tasked with enforcing the state-supported and imposed ideology; he has a national political police force - basically, brown shirts. I could go on, but that is sufficient to raise the eyebrows of any even slightly critical mind.
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Do you have a source for this "National Ideological Police"? Or are you talking about the newly formed Militias?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Do you have a source for this "National Ideological Police"? Or are you talking about the newly formed Militias?
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Newley formed militias? See, he's consolidating power just like Hitler did. Do they wear brown shirts?
 
"The days of a police force that defends the bourgeoisie are over,'' Chávez said recently. "We need police with ideology, with their own doctrine -- a revolutionary socialist police.''

The president added that crime is caused by capitalism, and the solution is socialism. Police officers, he says, may be drawn from the ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela...

But Liliana Ortega, head of Cofavic -- a human rights organization set up to defend victims of the security forces -- says the president's words set an "extremely grave precedent...in Latin America, the result of combining police and party-politics is well known -- the outcome is state terrorism.''
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Chávez: We need police with ideology, doctrine -- a revolutionary socialist police - U.S. Politics - MarketWatch Group Discussion


In 2008, Chávez passed a decree designed to implement Conarepol's recommendation on the national police force, and the National Bolivarian Police (PNB),[271][272] and Experimental Security University began operations in 2009.

The decree has been criticized because it was negotiated behind closed doors, and did not follow all of Conarepol's recommendations to deal with human rights, and because "politicization of the force could undercut the goal of professionalization".[273][275]
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Hugo Chávez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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"National Bolivarian Police"

That's like having a "National Capitalism Police", which represses socialist ideas and enterprises. Would you support that?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Do you have a source for this "National Ideological Police"? Or are you talking about the newly formed Militias?
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We heard you the first time, calm down.
 
David Bowie would know for sure. Let's just ask him.

OK I made a couple of calls and found him

Bowie: Oi, that's just my gag, no life on mars.
 
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