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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Populistic whining about corporations...how about unbridled cheerleading and arse wipeage of crooked callous greedy corporations
    when you see someone cheering corporations they know to be corrupt let me know. Many of the whiners on this board assume if a corporation is trying to make money they are corrupt when those who understand reality realize that that is exactly what a corporation should be doing



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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when you see someone cheering corporations they know to be corrupt let me know. Many of the whiners on this board assume if a corporation is trying to make money they are corrupt when those who understand reality realize that that is exactly what a corporation should be doing
    That is an astute quote and precisely correct observation. Corporation is trying to make money and that, not living and breathing, is exactly what is its chartered objective. That is the problem. If the survival of that corporation goes against living and breathing, that's just tough noogies. It's just money and its continuity is its stated goal. This insulates against the damage it does against peoples in attempting to maintain policies, programs, functions, etc. that are a damage to mankind. Take a good look at the Corporate Centralized Distribution Network as an example. What price Fukushima? What price Bhopal? What price Chernobyl? 7 nuclear reactors lost under our ocean waters, but it's all good for GE, Westinghouse, Bechtel, Brown and Root, Shell, BP, Chevron, JPMorganChase, Goldman Sachs, and a huge number of other "fictitious entities" and fictitious entities is the exact legal term to describe these ogres. The system is flawed and something must be done. Look at the friggin' financial crisis and the Corporate sainthood responsible. Survival of the Corporations, at all cost. Global Warming, financial crisis, wars for resources, and where are the people in the picture. I'm probably just too naive to be able to figure it out, but as I do, so shall you, don't you think. If you work for the people and your name is Qaddaffi or Chavez, some very large corporations are going to sponsor commercials that say bad things about you, and that is legal.

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I have better things to do with my time than argue with a socialist about the character of whack jobs like Hugo Chavez. I’m more concerned with US issues at the moment so I’ll stick to those topics.

    That said, here is a link where you can get a lot of information about what’s going on over there. Unless you speak Spanish however, you may find most of the supporting documentation hard to read:VENEZUELA: IS THE NATIONAL ELECTORAL COUNCIL CONTROLLED BY THE EXECUTIVE?
    As for your argument, removal of term limits was simply one of many steps Chavez has/is taking to consolidate power so your attempt to argue the issue in a vacuum is disingenuous at best.

    Also, your argument that it is “agrarian reform” is total hogwash. When a president expropriates the oil industry, banks, utilities, cement, steel, private property etc. you can’t call it socialism; maybe communism or totalitarianism but not socialism. And we are talking about entire industries so trying to compare it to eminent domain here in the US is a red herring argument. He also expropriated 11 US oil rigs.


    Watch these videos and tell me that this is how “socialism” works.



    Right "whack jobs"... Right... Why is he a "whack job". Im guessing mainly because he is a leftist and is nationalizing US companies...
    Soo Chavez bill to remove term limits which was popularly voted on and passed the assembly is just a way for him to "stay in power", even when there are elections that are held i believe every 6 years or something like that, which the elections are deemed to be fair by man onlookers the only country and media that claims that these elections are not fair and are rigged seem to be the US and the US media...
    Nationalizing the oil industry is not right? Why? Nationalizing the banks is not right? Why? Nationalizing these things are not right why? If your going off the basis that he is a dictator because he is nationalizing US companies then that makes a buck ton of DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEADERS dictators. Are pretty much all the leaders in South America dictators now? Morales? Is he a dictator as well? You do realize that the private sector has a bigger share of the economy...
    You do realize by nationalizing these industries the country has made great strides for the people. Poverty is down, extreme poverty is down, the GDP is way up, inflation is going way down.
    On the video of him expropriate buildings in Caracas is a move for him to preserve Venezuelan heritage and historical sites. The buildings were once occupied by Simon Bolivar, pass into state hands, as well as a number of other sites of historic interest.
    I see where you are coming from on the CNE and the legitimacy of the council... But you make it seem like Chavez just appoints them and bam they are there. The apointees have to be elected by a majority of the National Assembly and the rulings have to be agreed by a majority of the principal members.

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when you see someone cheering corporations they know to be corrupt let me know. Many of the whiners on this board assume if a corporation is trying to make money they are corrupt when those who understand reality realize that that is exactly what a corporation should be doing
    Agreed. Trouble is NO business ever pays a tax. THEY ARE A BUSINESS. That means taxes, salaries, employee benefits, cost of materials, transportation, advertising, etc. are all overhead. They are incorporated into the price of their goods and services, plus profit margin.

    You can increase a business' taxes 100% and all that happens is they have to increase their prices. Because you can't increase the taxes to a particular business, the price increase will be across the board and all that means is that your big Mac now costs x amount of dollars.

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Chavez is a joke. He knows it.
    He should hang out with Michele Bachmann. I'd love to see the debate:

    Chavez : Capitalism wiped out the martians
    Bachmann: No, it was Obama


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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How is Chavez a dictator again?
    Chavez given power to rule by decree for 18 months

    He taunted the incoming opposition congressmen in a television address. "You won't be able to make a single law, little Yankees," he said, deploying one of his favourite insults, which depicts his opponents as American stooges.

    "We're going to see how you make laws now."

    The 18-month period means the opposition will be blocked from any significant role in Venezuelan politics until just months before the 2012 presidential election.
    The law granting presidential decree powers – for the fourth time in his nearly 12-year presidency – also will allow him to enact measures involving telecommunications, the banking system, information technology, the military, rural and urban land use and the country's "socio-economic system."
    His foes accused him of taking advantage of the floods to stage a crude power grab by violating the constitution as he tried to impose a Cuban-style system.
    Not a dictator….Right!

    Going to allow fair elections in 2012….Right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    thats some far reaching thought for you, not farther than jesus tho :P

    but the more realistic way of explaining it is how GOPs killed NASA
    and cancelled our human trip to mars for 2012

    Well...... mabye the private sector will invest in it when theres money to be made

    we gotta find that "unobtanium", cause its all about the fuel, thats one thing Chavez knows hahaha
    Last edited by lovelyLUDWIG; 04-17-11 at 09:13 PM.
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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    He should hang out with Michele Bachmann. I'd love to see the debate:

    Chavez : Capitalism wiped out the martians
    Bachmann: No, it was Obama

    That was beyond lame.

    "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Chavez given power to rule by decree for 18 months





    Not a dictator….Right!

    Going to allow fair elections in 2012….Right!
    Ohh boy. Ewww "Rule By Decree" it sounds so scary and sooo totalitarian. Didnt i state this in like my 3rd post? I just love the US Newspaper headlines on this subject: "Is Chavez Becoming Castro?" And those are the restrained ones. The right-wing rags have headlines like "A Dictatorship Rises," and "Hugo Chavez Kills Democracy." Just gets your attention doesnt it and you pretty much make up your mind before even looking into it.. The Venezuelan assembly passed a law which gives the executive (Chavez) branch more leeway to establish norms. Most of these involve guidelines for the president's own cabinet-level agencies. In other words, the Venezuelan version of the IRS will map out the country's tax structure; the Transportation department will devise its own strategic plan for public transit nationwide, etc. This represents a shift of certain powers from the legislative branch to the executive, to be sure, but on paper they don't seem to stray too far from the powers that the executive branch in the United States already has.
    This kind of power **** is covered under the 1999 constitution, also under the previous constitution before the 1999 it was also allowed in the older constitution.
    Previous presidents that came before Chavez which were considered "friendly" and the US loved so dearly also did this many times throughout the 70's, 80's and 90's. But when Chavez does it we immediately scream dictator now dont we? Hypocrisy? I think sooo....
    So lets see what he is doing with this "decree power." Well he is funding the construcion for 4,000 new homes.Currently providing several billion dollars in relief aid for housing construction to help thousands displaced from the severe rains that hit the nation in late November. Chavez announced the creation of a 10 billion bolivar (US$2.3 billion) emergency fund to provide relief for those affected by the torrential rains that have ravaged parts of the country. 506 million bolivars ($117.7 million) of the newly created Simon Bolivar Fund will be put to use to construct four thousand new homes in areas of the western state of Zulia, one of the regions most affected by the downpours. President Chavez has this power for only 18 months and can pass laws in key areas aimed at weeding out corruption, increasing government efficiency, and bringing more equality to our poorest citizens. You failt to mention or even maybe fail to know (based on the press) that these laws can be modified or rescinded by the National Assembly at any time and the population has the guaranteed right under our constitution to nullify any of these laws through a national referendum.
    He has the power to rule by decree in areas of housing, public works, and finances.
    Chavez claims that he will only use this power to help rebuild the destroyed areas. Under a law passed under the decree people have powers on deciding how to spend local development funds, the project grants self-governance under Community ruling. The law would also establish a series of municipal institutions, such as a communal parliament and a communal bank, which would pertain only to the communes and enhance public participation in the decision-making process.
    If Chavez was ruling by decree and promised to privatize everything, nobody would mention the "d" word on the corporate ran media, now would they? And wait dont we kinda have a decree isnt it called an "executive order"?
    Last edited by TheDemSocialist; 04-17-11 at 09:35 PM.

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ohh boy. Ewww "Rule By Decree" it sounds so scary and sooo totalitarian.
    Maybe that's because it is totalitarian? just a guess.

    "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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