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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Hmmm! Now that you mention it, some of those things might work in this country. Shut down any "alleged" NEWS media that lies. Lock up some of the more flagrant "NEWS" nutters. The inflation is already here. Does anybody lie about the money and banking crisis? We are taxing the poor and subsidizing the wealthy in this country and that's seems to be OK with you. I don't know what a ballow access is , but I'll probably want one if the Media thinks my perception needs to be adjusted to want one. It appears to me that Chavez thinks "Corporatism" is bad for his country.. I agree and think "Corporatism" is bad for this country. I'm not a blind patriot. I think. The corporate hand is up your legislative sock puppets derrierre.
    chavez styled socialism is a disease that should be eradicated/ Populistic whining about corporations tends to be the province of the silly



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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Chavez has consistently blamed capitalism for all the problems in the world, but this may be the first time he's blamed it for problems on OTHER worlds.
    Woot - ancient Martians were capitalists.

    LOL - the Socialists have Carl Marx and the Capitalists have the martians . . . sounds like that's won.
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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    chavez styled socialism is a disease that should be eradicated/ Populistic whining about corporations tends to be the province of the silly
    Populistic whining about corporations...how about unbridled cheerleading and arse wipeage of crooked callous greedy corporations

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Does this mean you take Chavez serious and deny that he's a loon?
    I take Chavez serious and deny that he is a loon.. He is in imminent danger of being given the Qaddaffi treatment and it is not just the English teachers who are mad at Qaddaffi for not putting a "u" after the Q. Qaddaffi was doing in Africa what Chavez's support for the "Bolivarian Revolution" is doing in South America. Can you imagine the gall of those South Americans to suddenly be suggesting that those are not our natural resources under their national topography. Curses Red Baron, this could be the wave of thinking detrimental to those Western harvestors of natural resources.. That would be Corporations harvesting OIL for example. Now can you imagine Qaddaffi initiating programs throughout Africa suggesting that the natural resources be used to the advantage of the general populace with free social programs paid for with these resources. This is a trend that must be nipped in the bud. My buddy Smitty told me, for a fact man, it is our OIL under their sacred sand and screw 'em all. Exxon/Mobil and its goombah, JPMorganChase, will be takin' care of de paper trail and de money trail, and de assassination details. My buddy Smitty don't know chit, but he's always absolutely certain of it. Probably a Republican. Good man with a gun. Don't give him no pencils.

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Revised the constitution to allow him to implement any measures deemed to be of national interest and criminalize dissent

    Eliminated term constitutional limits so that he can be “president” forever and claims he will hold on to power until 2049 when he will turn 95

    Expropriates private land, businesses and any assets he wants, particularly those who have politically opposed/resisted his power grab.

    Is quashing dissenting views by nationalizing the media (taking control of it), arresting, murdering and intimidating political opposition

    Established the Consejo Nacional Electoral (CNE) (National Electoral Council) and stacked it with 5 out of 6 members who are completely loyal to him and will do his bidding. Venezuelan law requires the CNE to prohit anyone who has been accused or convicted of corruption from running for political office so Chavez just has the CNE accuse any serious potential political opponents of corruption, thereby insuring he can stack the courts and congress with people loyal to him and insuring he will never face a viable opposition candidate for president.

    He controls the police, military and other armed groups and uses them to arrest, murder and intimidate, as well as sieze assets he deems “in the national interest”
    You do realize that the change in the constitution was voted upon by the people. 92% of those voting voted “yes” in response to the question about convoking a constitutional assembly and 86% approved of the procedures set forth by the president to change the constitution. If your talking about how he has rule decree while yes the Venezuelan National Assembly (their congress) voted to give him decree rule in several areas such as housing, public works, and finances, they announced to give him this power back in December because of the damaging floods that destroyed much of Venezuela farming community.

    Yea yea yea dictator because "there are no term limits". Many democratic countries do not have term limits, but we dont call them a dictatorship. He has been re-elected over and over again. The EU released a report stating that elections in Venezuela are fair and free. "Elections were held in respect of national laws and international standards concerning electoral administration and the electronic voting system. The electronic voting system established in Venezuela is efficient, secure and auditable, and the competence of the technical experts is in line with its advanced technological level.]"
    It seems that our media and only our country is the only people throwing around these terms. Remember when we did not have term limits?

    So that makes you a dictator if you nationalize and use socialism as an economic policy? It makes you a dictator using agrarian reform? Publicly owned land has already been given to hundreds and thousands of farmers. Based on a 2001 land law that allows the government to expropriate land if judged either idle or unproductive.

    On the media... According to Eva Golinger (winner of international award for journalism) "Documents reveal multimillion-dollar funding to journalists and media in Venezuela. State Department documents declassified under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) evidence more than $4 million USD in funding to journalists and private media in Venezuela during the last three years. This funding is part of the more than $40 million USD international agencies are investing annually in anti-Chavez groups in Venezuela in an attempt to provoke regime change." You do realize that there are currently between 90 and 100 newspapers and of which at least 80% side with the political opposition, and on radio there are at least 400 that broadcast the oppositions side? In a recent study "Venezuelan state TV channels had just a 5.4 percent audience share. Of the other 94.6 percent of the audience, 61.4 percent were watching privately owned television channels, and 33.1 percent were watching paid TV." (If you would like to take a look at the study and the data here is a quick link http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/images/wr_t_1.jpg ). Right... "murdering"... Right..

    I would really like to see a source on the CNE please...

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    I think everyone talking about inflation and the economy should look at this report done by the Center for Economic and Policy Research:
    http://www.cepr.net/documents/public...la_2007_07.pdf

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Chavez is a joke. He knows it.
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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Chavez is a joke. He knows it.
    Right............................................

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Chavez is a joke. He knows it.
    Venezuela is number 1 in estimated oil reserves by country and Chavez heads it

    Underestimate Chavez at your peril.

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    Re: Chavez says capitalism may have ended life on Mars

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You do realize that the change in the constitution was voted upon by the people. 92% of those voting voted “yes” in response to the question about convoking a constitutional assembly and 86% approved of the procedures set forth by the president to change the constitution. If your talking about how he has rule decree while yes the Venezuelan National Assembly (their congress) voted to give him decree rule in several areas such as housing, public works, and finances, they announced to give him this power back in December because of the damaging floods that destroyed much of Venezuela farming community.

    Yea yea yea dictator because "there are no term limits". Many democratic countries do not have term limits, but we dont call them a dictatorship. He has been re-elected over and over again. The EU released a report stating that elections in Venezuela are fair and free. "Elections were held in respect of national laws and international standards concerning electoral administration and the electronic voting system. The electronic voting system established in Venezuela is efficient, secure and auditable, and the competence of the technical experts is in line with its advanced technological level.]"
    It seems that our media and only our country is the only people throwing around these terms. Remember when we did not have term limits?

    So that makes you a dictator if you nationalize and use socialism as an economic policy? It makes you a dictator using agrarian reform? Publicly owned land has already been given to hundreds and thousands of farmers. Based on a 2001 land law that allows the government to expropriate land if judged either idle or unproductive.

    On the media... According to Eva Golinger (winner of international award for journalism) "Documents reveal multimillion-dollar funding to journalists and media in Venezuela. State Department documents declassified under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) evidence more than $4 million USD in funding to journalists and private media in Venezuela during the last three years. This funding is part of the more than $40 million USD international agencies are investing annually in anti-Chavez groups in Venezuela in an attempt to provoke regime change." You do realize that there are currently between 90 and 100 newspapers and of which at least 80% side with the political opposition, and on radio there are at least 400 that broadcast the oppositions side? In a recent study "Venezuelan state TV channels had just a 5.4 percent audience share. Of the other 94.6 percent of the audience, 61.4 percent were watching privately owned television channels, and 33.1 percent were watching paid TV." (If you would like to take a look at the study and the data here is a quick link http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/images/wr_t_1.jpg ). Right... "murdering"... Right..

    I would really like to see a source on the CNE please...
    I have better things to do with my time than argue with a socialist about the character of whack jobs like Hugo Chavez. I’m more concerned with US issues at the moment so I’ll stick to those topics.

    That said, here is a link where you can get a lot of information about what’s going on over there. Unless you speak Spanish however, you may find most of the supporting documentation hard to read:VENEZUELA: IS THE NATIONAL ELECTORAL COUNCIL CONTROLLED BY THE EXECUTIVE?
    As for your argument, removal of term limits was simply one of many steps Chavez has/is taking to consolidate power so your attempt to argue the issue in a vacuum is disingenuous at best.

    Also, your argument that it is “agrarian reform” is total hogwash. When a president expropriates the oil industry, banks, utilities, cement, steel, private property etc. you can’t call it socialism; maybe communism or totalitarianism but not socialism. And we are talking about entire industries so trying to compare it to eminent domain here in the US is a red herring argument. He also expropriated 11 US oil rigs.


    Watch these videos and tell me that this is how “socialism” works.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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