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    Re: New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Thats one of the dumbest most ignorant positions on this topic Ive read. Look man, read the whole thread and learn. Or just go strait here: Facts, Figures And Statistics On Illegal Immigration
    "Dumbest most ignorant positions" LOL you know it's true. Anyone who is middle and upper class citizens don't care because they know they aren't affected by this.

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    Re: New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually you are mistaken and have worked with congress on strengthening border security and slowing illegal immigration. They are in favor of reforming immigration laws, which is an entirely different thing.
    Nope. And their "reform" is basically open borders.


    The La Raza open borders network represents the well-funded far-left anti-enforcement mob that is "the other side" of the majority of Americans. This vast majority of Americans urgently seeks defined, defended borders, rational and sustainable lawful immigration and a return to the rule of law upon which our republic was founded.


    A few of the organizations and websites in the radical open borders network include:

    •National Council of La Raza
    •We Can Stop The Hate - Propaganda spin website sponsored by La Raza and friends
    •MALDEF - Mexican American legal Defense & Educational Fund
    •Truth In Immigration - Spin website by MALDEF
    •LULAC - League of United Latin American Citizens
    •MEChA - Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan
    •America's Voice
    •AILA - American immigration Lawyers Association
    •Immigration Works - trade-based organization
    •ADL - Anti-Defamation League
    •Southern Poverty Law Center (see much more info)
    •Latinos Against Hate Speech propaganda website
    •Immigration Policy - a poor attempt to counter the reputable Center for Immigration Studies
    •GALEO - Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials
    •Center for a New Community
    •Service Employees International Union
    •and others, including numerous open borders blogs.
    A common theme that runs across these websites and other open borders websites and blogs is that of personal attacks against those who stand for immigration sanity and enforcement of our immigration and employment laws.

    The clear intent of these personal attacks is two-fold:

    1.To intimidate and silence those who want United States immigration laws enforced and the issue of legal and illegal immigration to be honestly debated, and
    2.To pepper the internet with false information, innuendo and guilt-by-association attacks, so as to fool the uninformed reader and the media into marginalizing the true immigration reform message - and then refer back to these self-invented allegations as a method of "proof".

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    Re: New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

    Do you have anything like an unbiased source? Radical anti-immigration sites are not the most reliable on the subject. I mean, your sources so far have been an op-ed and an anti-NCLR site. Unfortunately, the NCLR site seems to be down for me again.
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    Re: New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

    Some interesting stuff, more coming after this. The following link and quotes are from the Independent Task Force on Immigration and America’s Future's report, which NCLR President and CEO Janet Murguía served on and endorsed: http://www.migrationpolicy.org/task_...er_summary.pdf

    Mandatory employer verification and workplace enforcement should be at the center of more effective immigration enforcement reforms. Without them, other reforms — including border enforcement — cannot succeed.
    I agree with this 100 %(take away the reason to come here illegally and hopefully fewer people will come here, whereas if people can come here illegally and know they have a good chance at a job, you will never stop them) and have advocated such on these boards. This is not open borders.

    Smart borders. To accomplish these goals, implementation of “smart border” measures that combine personnel, equipment, and technology should be accelerated. The administration should submit an annual report to Congress and the American people that establishes measures of effectiveness for border enforcement and reports progress in meeting them.
    Holy ****, this is advocated by some one who favors open boarders? Really?

    The proposed system would initially set annual immigration levels at about 1.5 million, approximately 300,000 less than the actual annual number of immigrants — legal and illegal — being absorbed into the labor market and the country today.
    Well, so much for open borders....
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    Re: New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

    We support enforcement for two basic reasons: First, as Americans, we recognize that it s the right thing to do.

    And second, we recognize that enforcement is the framework through which the White House, Congress, and the 260 million Americans whom they represent view a well-functioning immigration system.
    Those are the words of the head of NCLR. Does this sound like an open border fanatic? She, and NCLR support amnesty for illegals(which I strongly disagree with), but that does not make them for open borders.

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    Re: New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Im not in the GOP. Im in the Common Sense Party. (and at this point you cant join)
    Yeah....uh thanks. I'm all set, dude. Keep your party.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Im a Independant / Libertarian. For you to agree that ILLEGAL aliens should be in this country makes you EXTREMELY ignorant on this topic. If you dont know anything about this topic, please just sit back and read. Dont make foolish comments please.
    Good for you. I'm an independent/liberal. Who cares? How ironic of you to accuse me of making ignorant statements. Your post is full of them. First, I never even mentioned illegal immigrants. Here's the conversation:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle
    I feel we need to kick out as many illegals in this Country as possible and as soon as possible. And if an illegal mexican pops out an anchor baby, that baby is NOT a citizen of this Country. This is an invasion people! Why we arent doing anything about it is INSANE!!! You folks like getting your tax dollars robbed and eating tacos THAT much!?!?
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    Ignorant drivel like that is why hispanics are running from the GOP in droves. Keep it up. Pretty soon, the GOP will be exclusively angry white men....oh, wait. It already is. Never mind. Carry on
    Please point out to me where I even mention illegal immigration, let alone voiced support for it.

    Since you can't even comprehend the meaning of one simple ****ing post of mine, I suggest you refrain from criticism of others. I think it'd be best if you just sit down and shut up.


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    Re: New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    La Raza is a Hispanic Social group, I'm sure there are some fringe members that have the completely unrealistic goal of taking over the western U.S. but that goal won't materialize.

    The majority of the movement doesn't give two craps about taking over the western U.S.
    So you refuse to read the article

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    Re: New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Nobody knows, that is true, but there are estimates. See Redress' post #87.
    Estimates mean nothing.People low ball the estimate to make it seem not as bad as it is

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    Re: New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Estimates mean nothing.People low ball the estimate to make it seem not as bad as it is
    Or they highball them to make it seem worse than it is. That would be why I included a range...
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    Re: New milestone: 1 in 6 Americans is Hispanic

    Quote Originally Posted by lawlking View Post
    The only ones that care so much about illegal immigrants are the ones without a former college education -- other than that middle-class and upper-class aren't affected by this problem. You want to obtain a job that illegal immigrants can't have? Become a doctor, a scientist, an engineer, or etc -- and leave the menial labor job to those who really want to do them.
    So they should be allowed to break our laws and take our jobs when we have 9% unemployment?

    Impacts Of Illegal Immigration: Crime


    In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities, as follows

    * 46,000 in Federal prisons
    * 74,000 in state prisons
    * 147,000 in local jails

    The article also notes that approximately 27% of all prisoners in Federal custody are criminal illegal aliens and the majority (63%) of those are Mexican citizens. However, the large Mexican component is mostly due to the fact that the majority of illegal aliens are from Mexico and the incarceration rate is only slightly above the Mexican representation (~57%) of the illegal aliens in the overall illegal alien population, although a more recent crossing analysis indicates a much higher Mexican content.

    The article goes on to state that in fiscal 2004, the Federal govt. spent $1.4 billion to incarcerate criminal aliens. This total included $280 million of reimbursements made to state and local governments under the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program [SCAAP] - a Department of Justice program managed by the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA) - but SCAAP funds cover less than 25% of the full cost of incarcerating criminal aliens, leaving the balance of 75% to be picked up by the local jurisdiction.

    It is worth noting that all the incarceration costs, some $5.6 billion in 2004, are ultimately paid for by the taxpayers. Throughout this paper, it is worth noting the costs being imposed on society for illegal aliens as you will see that the costs will continue to accumulate, often dramatically so. It is also worth noting that with proper border security and immigration enforcement there would be few illegal aliens and little of those costs would be incurred thus allowing a cost-benefit analysis.

    The GAO issued a report, number GAO-05-337R, entitled Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails on May 9, 2005, prepared for the Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims. It noted:

    "At the federal level, the number of criminal aliens incarcerated increased from about 42,000 at the end of calendar year 2001 to about 49,000 at the end of calendar year 2004--a 15 percent increase. The percentage of all federal prisoners who are criminal aliens has remained the same over the last 3 years--about 27 percent. The majority of criminal aliens incarcerated at the end of calendar year 2004 were identified as citizens of Mexico. We estimate the federal cost of incarcerating criminal aliens--BOP's cost to incarcerate criminals and reimbursements to state and local governments under SCAAP--totaled approximately $5.8 billion for calendar years 2001 through 2004. BOP's cost to incarcerate criminal aliens rose from about $950 million in 2001 to about $1.2 billion in 2004--a 14 percent increase."

    And interestingly notes:

    "Federal reimbursements for incarcerating criminal aliens in state prisons and local jails declined from $550 million in 2001 to $280 million in 2004, in a large part due to a reduction in congressional appropriations."

    This illustrates the failings of your government as the Federal Government is responsible for securing the borders but allows more and more illegal aliens to violate the sovereignty of the United States. However, when the illegal aliens commit crimes and are arrested, they are paying less and less of the state and local costs of incarcerating them. That's something you might want to ask your state's congressional members about. Although notable, the public cost of incarcerating illegal aliens is trivial alongside the carnage they imposed on their victims. Remember, incarcerated illegal alien perpetrators committed crime before being incarcerated. So the question is "How much crime?"

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