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    Re: Tough Start for Ohio's New Governor

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    Re: Tough Start for Ohio's New Governor

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    I have no problem with public sector unions in that regard. I do have a problem with their being able to negotiate wages and benefits -- at least under the current corrupt system. I think Walker's got it more right than we know. Bargain to the CPI...anything over that goes to the voters.
    I'm against setting salary by referendum. That goes completely against the notion of pay on merit. Also, it won't solve the public/private wage divide. The private sector hasn't been keeping up with cost of living for decades now. That's a big reason why the public sector is so out of whack, because the private sector has seen the value of labor fall immensely.

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    Re: Tough Start for Ohio's New Governor

    At this time, I would be very cautious about assuming that today's polling numbers point to the outcome of the next gubernatorial election cycle, much less assure such an outcome. Wisconsin might be an exception, but only if a recall effort is successful prior to the next gubernatorial election. In short, between now and the next election much can change. If the states find themselves on more solid fiscal ground and their economies are growing appreciably (and creating jobs), the governors who are currently quite unpopular could be re-elected. The narrative that they would offer, one of providing strong leadership by making tough and deeply unpopular decisions from which their states had begun to benefit, could actually resonate with voters.

    There is past precedent for such cases. For example, the 1982-83 period for President Reagan saw his approval rating fall to just 35% by early 1983. Yet, by November 1984, buoyed by a briskly growing economy, he scored an historic landslide victory.

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    Re: Tough Start for Ohio's New Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    At this time, I would be very cautious about assuming that today's polling numbers point to the outcome of the next gubernatorial election cycle, much less assure such an outcome. Wisconsin might be an exception, but only if a recall effort is successful prior to the next gubernatorial election. In short, between now and the next election much can change. If the states find themselves on more solid fiscal ground and their economies are growing appreciably (and creating jobs), the governors who are currently quite unpopular could be re-elected. The narrative that they would offer, one of providing strong leadership by making tough and deeply unpopular decisions from which their states had begun to benefit, could actually resonate with voters.

    There is past precedent for such cases. For example, the 1982-83 period for President Reagan saw his approval rating fall to just 35% by early 1983. Yet, by November 1984, buoyed by a briskly growing economy, he scored an historic landslide victory.
    Anything can happen before the next election. In fact, I'm not sure I can be surprised by Ohio's choices anymore. This is a state that turned down every gambling proposal that came its way for years and years, then voted to give a handful of people a constitutional monopoly on gambling. Voters here seem to have short memories and an unsophisticated understanding of some of these issues.

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    Re: Tough Start for Ohio's New Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I'm against setting salary by referendum. That goes completely against the notion of pay on merit. Also, it won't solve the public/private wage divide. The private sector hasn't been keeping up with cost of living for decades now. That's a big reason why the public sector is so out of whack, because the private sector has seen the value of labor fall immensely.
    Public unions (indeed private ones) oppose merit pay increases and fight them at every turn. If you are against setting salary by referendum, then you are against unions bargaining for across-the-board pay increases.
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    Re: Tough Start for Ohio's New Governor

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Public unions (indeed private ones) oppose merit pay increases and fight them at every turn. If you are against setting salary by referendum, then you are against unions bargaining for across-the-board pay increases.
    Yes I am, but I'm for unions having a seat at the table and recognize that unions seek uniformity and often win it, though I personally think that's counterproductive. In basic principles, I respect union members' right to advocate for themselves, but on individual policies, I'd often side against the union position.

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