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    Re: Obama' libyan coalition Falls apart

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That does appear to be the golden question, doesn't it? I don't see why all countries don't just have a permenant military group that is dedicated to the UN so that any UN resolutions passed can be enforced without having each country needing to debate internally first. Also, if countries can just opt out even when a vote is passed, what is the point of it all?
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    Re: Obama' libyan coalition Falls apart

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Why the hell would anyone want that to be the case? I could understand if thats you're opinion, but to list the failure of western nations to respond to a crisis and act together has something desirable? What the ****.

    Anyway, any bickering in the coalition is normal, its what allies do. There was plenty of bickering about how to deal with Germany and Japan in WW2, how to deal with the USSR, the Gulf War, the Yugoslavia break up, the Afghan conflict, the Iraq War. Bickering is nothing new and it hardly means the alliance is going to break up.
    Because I'm tired of us propping up Europe. I'm tired of their anti-American bitching and second guessing. I want them to learn handle something on their own, and take the criticism they deserve.
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    Re: Obama' libyan coalition Falls apart

    a week into this miserably muddled mission, where are we:

    1. obama consults an international community while bypassing the us congress, representatives of the american people

    2. he sees some lost "legitimacy" in the gadaffi regime which most sober americans never perceived the mass murderer possessing

    3. our no fly zone routinely targets assetts on the GROUND

    4. "days not weeks" morphs within a few hours into "this could go on awhile"

    5. get gadaffi, get gadaffi not, get gadaffi, get gadaffi not

    6. the DEPT OF JUSTICE chimes in on REGIME CHANGE---one wonders what is the position of the folks at INTERIOR

    7. gates goes ROGUE, hillary complains she's been left OUTTA THE LOOP

    8. WHAT IF GADAFFI SURVIVES IN POWER?

    9. the russians accuse us of CRUSADING, ala COEUR DE LION

    10. china demands an instant CEASE FIRE

    11. the arab league is SUSPICIOUS

    12. turkey says we've already gone TOO FAR

    13. the germans are OUT

    14. italy threatens to withhold its airbases, accuses france of lusting for libya's OIL

    15. the french do NOT want nato to lead

    16. the uk INSISTS that nato lead

    17. the president wants no part of LEADERSHIP

    18. emerging nations---india, brazil, south africa---openly OPPOSE

    19. if maintaining GITMO is a RECRUITMENT TOOL...

    20. what will this effort COST, how will it be PAID FOR

    21. what are the lines of AUTHORITY and RESPONSIBILITY within the coalition

    22. hillary announces her DEPARTURE, says she JUST CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE, the INDECISION, the AMATEURS in what coulda been HER white house

    23. the only reason all this is going on is cuz THE LADIES ran roughshod over the admin's machismos

    24. obama embodies HAMLET in the white house

    25. his latin american trip, meanwhile, accomplishes SQUAT

    26. congress is in REVOLT, members of the PARTY and BASE openly broach IMPEACHMENT

    27. the publicly PISSED include---NADLER, LEE, CAPUANO, BARTLETT, LARSON (the caucus chair), MILLER, FRANK, SHERROD BROWN...

    28. no DENNIS KUCINICH's, those

    29. as of tuesday the white house says it has NOT YET DISCUSSED the operation with DAVID CAMERON

    30. everyone's kvetching about MISSION CREEP

    31. when the rebels were outside tripoli, hamlet DITHERED

    32. elements of the opposition appear to have real ties to AL QAEDA

    33. the rest of the MIDDLE EAST is on FIRE---the naive optimism that greeted egypt, unmindful of obvious regional REALITIES, succumbs

    34. obama's NOBEL elicits universal LOL's

    35. the united nations, his COVER, is a JOKE---the SUBJECT of the nfz is a member of its HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH

    36. on wednesday france declares its intention of bombing BEYOND benghazi

    37. the white house wages a WAR OF WORDS with the brits over the tyrant's ultimate fate

    38. gates says it'll all RECEDE in a few days, gates says the effort will go on awhile, gates says there is no timeline, gates says we've never done a no fly on the fly like this, it takes some time to SORT OUT the trifles

    39. the uk suggests we could be there THIRTY YEARS

    40. obama's assertion that presidents do NOT possess the CONSTITUTIONAL authority to unilaterally attack is thrown in his face by libs, cons, establishmentarians, msm's...

    41. biden said he'd make it his business to IMPEACH anyone who tried

    42. rhodes says it's not a WAR, it's KINETIC

    43. jake TAPPER likens obama's elliptical language to JABBERWOCKY

    44. the worldwide press SAVAGES the administration at every turn, apparently hillary's not alone in being pushed over the edge

    americans have never seen so much incompetence, even buffoonery

    the merits of military action in libya aside, who can claim that this white house has approached this problem with even a pittance of professionalism

    and the harshest homiletic---he STILL doesn't know what he's gotten himself into

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    Re: Obama' libyan coalition Falls apart

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    LOL - wait, how is this "Obama's" coalition? Wasn't it France and the UK that took the lead? Obama was invited along because he's the kid with the money and all the cool toys.
    Exactly Obama is showing he is not a leader and knows nothing about being president of the most powerful country in the world.

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    Re: Obama' libyan coalition Falls apart

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    It always works.



    I am neutral about this currently, but I can see the issue you take with him not taking it to Congress first.



    That does appear to be the golden question, doesn't it? I don't see why all countries don't just have a permenant military group that is dedicated to the UN so that any UN resolutions passed can be enforced without having each country needing to debate internally first. Also, if countries can just opt out even when a vote is passed, what is the point of it all?
    Many people simply don't like the idea of a world government, that's why. I forget which conservative figure said this (think it was Buckley), but he said something along the lines of "world government would lead to world tyranny."
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    Re: Obama' libyan coalition Falls apart

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Germany pulls out of Nato and the coalition falls apart...what a cluster this is...we shouldnt be in there in the first place


    Libya war: Germans pull forces out of NATO as Libyan coalition falls apart | Mail Online
    This falling apart statement was premature because even Turkey has come on board and approved the control of the Coalition by NATO.

    I still think we should turn over control after a major assault on Gaddafi ground Forces using A-10s and Apaches for at least two days.

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    Re: Obama' libyan coalition Falls apart

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This falling apart statement was premature because even Turkey has come on board and approved the control of the Coalition by NATO.

    I still think we should turn over control after a major assault on Gaddafi ground Forces using A-10s and Apaches for at least two days.
    To what end? Are we kinda half-assedly but not really declaring war on Libya, or are we enforcing a no-fly zone? If we do what you suggest then we should stop with the pretense of a no-fly zone and engage in combat and regime change.

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    Re: Obama' libyan coalition Falls apart

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Because I'm tired of us propping up Europe. I'm tired of their anti-American bitching and second guessing. I want them to learn handle something on their own, and take the criticism they deserve.
    How are we propping up Europe? We didn't start operating in Libya recently because Europe couldn't handle it, we did it because we are allies and its important diplomatically to support each other. Why did Europe go into Afghanistan after 9/11? To support us, and would you believe many European partisans believe they are the ones propping us up there? Because if it weren't for their tens of thousands of troops there we wouldn't have the troops to do things like Iraq. I disagree with that entirely but both you and those europeans who think that are wrong.

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    Re: Obama' libyan coalition Falls apart

    What most here don't realize is Eastern Libya has been a big supplier/foreign fighters in Iraq and Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are rebel participants!!

    The Muslim Brotherhood presence is much larger than AQ and like Egypt, are probably the largest organized group.

    Woops, can't be right all the time, but Obama is backing up the wrong crowd lmao

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    Re: Obama' libyan coalition Falls apart

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Because I'm tired of us propping up Europe. I'm tired of their anti-American bitching and second guessing. I want them to learn handle something on their own, and take the criticism they deserve.
    Absolutely right, but they won't do it voluntarily. The status quo, from their point of view, is perfect.

    Some tough love is required.

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