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    Re: Bomb explodes at Jerusalem bus stop; 25 wounded

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From your article:




    What? Are you kidding me? the first? Really? So who's been firing all those rockets for the past several years? Settlers? Pfft! give me a break MSNBC!

    On the other hand liblady..."Seems like the world is blowing up" That's it? That is your deep feelings on the matter? Tell us do you support the bombing?


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    The first militant attack ON JERUSALEM.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Bomb explodes at Jerusalem bus stop; 25 wounded

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The first militant attack ON JERUSALEM.
    and the first terrorist attack, too.

    Calling terrorism militancy is an accepted p.c. sleight of hand these days, but there are many ways to be militant that do not involve attempts to murder innocent people en masse.
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    Re: Bomb explodes at Jerusalem bus stop; 25 wounded

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    why did you post that to me??????
    He didn't. Anything personal is done via PM, except thread bans, for some reason. Those are out for the world to see.

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    Re: Bomb explodes at Jerusalem bus stop; 25 wounded

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The first militant attack ON JERUSALEM.
    While it maybe on Jerusalem this isn't the first on Israel it self. Israel just need to flat out destroy Hamas.

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    Re: Bomb explodes at Jerusalem bus stop; 25 wounded

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    While it maybe on Jerusalem this isn't the first on Israel it self. Israel just need to flat out destroy Hamas.
    Right, I was just correcting J-mac who seemed to be a bit confused about the wording in the article.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Bomb explodes at Jerusalem bus stop; 25 wounded

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    and the first terrorist attack, too.

    Calling terrorism militancy is an accepted p.c. sleight of hand these days, but there are many ways to be militant that do not involve attempts to murder innocent people en masse.
    I think you have a point.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Bomb explodes at Jerusalem bus stop; 25 wounded

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    and the first terrorist attack, too.

    Calling terrorism militancy is an accepted p.c. sleight of hand these days, but there are many ways to be militant that do not involve attempts to murder innocent people en masse.
    Militants - Nongovernment actors who use violence to achieve their political goals.
    Terrorists - Any militants whom we don't like.
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    Re: Bomb explodes at Jerusalem bus stop; 25 wounded

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Militants - Nongovernment actors who use violence to achieve their political goals.
    Terrorists - Any militants whom we don't like.
    You should look up the definition of "twaddle" while you are at it.
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    Re: Bomb explodes at Jerusalem bus stop; 25 wounded

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If Netanyahu was smart, he wouldn't respond with military action in the West Bank. Sadly, I doubt he's that smart.
    I strongly disagree. Inaction would lead to a further erosion in deterrence and an increase in the frequency and magnitude of terrorist activity.

    Hamas has likely calculated that Israel's domestic political challenges (internal infighting in Israel's government, weak coalition, corruption trials, worries about external regional developments, etc.) makes a strong Israeli response less likely. Hence, by those calculations Hamas believes that the cost-benefit calculus is a little more favorable. It is exploiting what it sees as an opportunity. In general, as long as a would-be aggressor believes that its target cannot or will not respond sufficiently strongly--even if the target can or would respond strongly--it won't be deterred from carrying out acts of aggression.

    Hamas' calculations appear to be evolving along those lines. The recent attacks (barrage of rockets and now the bombing in Jerusalem) are efforts to probe Israel's response to a variety of terrorist attacks. While a Cast Lead-scale operation is not needed, Israel needs to respond with enough force to fundamentally alter Hamas' current calculations in order to re-establish deterence. Otherwise, Hamas will incrementally ratchet up its attacks, and down the road another military operation on the scale of Cast Lead (or even larger if Hamas gains access to more destructive weaponry) would be required. That would be bad for Israel and for Gaza's residents who are trapped in a territory controlled by the Hamas terrorist organization. Re-establishing deterrence would be in the mutual benefit of Israel's people and Gaza's residents.

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    Re: Bomb explodes at Jerusalem bus stop; 25 wounded

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