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    Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    OKLAHOMA CITY -- Last year Oklahoma voters passed a State Question that blocked any use of Islamic or Sharia law in Oklahoma courts. State Question 755 was ruled unconstitutional and unnecessary by the US District Court.

    But now a new effort to prevent state courts in Oklahoma from using foreign law is underway and this time, an effort is forming to fight it.
    Muslims in Oklahoma are pissed, and are going to fight the law. But that doesn't matter. The bill, as proposed in Oklahoma is blatantly unconstitutional. Let me explain:

    1) The wording of the bill, in it's present form, would exclude ALL religious law from being followed. That means Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant too. Many, many contracts are made which some of the terms are guided by religious law. All these contracts would become null and void, which means that the First Amendment rights of people of ALL religions would be violated, per the establishment clause.

    2) OK, so remove the provisions that apply to all religions, other than Islam, and the law apply to Islam only. Cool? Nope. That isn't cool either, as this would be favor the establishment of some religions over others, which also violates the First Amendment.

    3) But, if we allow Sharia law, wouldn't Muslims begin stoning to death adulterers, and those who speak out against Islam? Of course not. There are already laws against that. Let me add that Jews practice Jewish law extensively, and you don't see Jews holding public executions of people who violate God's law, do you? Of course not.

    This is why the bill moving through Oklahoma is nothing but a bugagoo, based on nothing but fear tactics. Reasonable people can allow the laws of the various religions to have an impact on the daily lives of those who follow those religions, just as long as it is Constitutional. That, my friends, is the key to the whole thing. As Thomas Jefferson once said:

    Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
    In the spirit of Jefferson, let us all pray that the people in Oklahoma put down their pitch forks.

    Article is here.
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Muslims in Oklahoma are pissed, and are going to fight the law. But that doesn't matter. The bill, as proposed in Oklahoma is blatantly unconstitutional. Let me explain:

    1) The wording of the bill, in it's present form, would exclude ALL religious law from being followed. That means Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant too. Many, many contracts are made which some of the terms are guided by religious law. All these contracts would become null and void, which means that the First Amendment rights of people of ALL religions would be violated, per the establishment clause.

    2) OK, so remove the provisions that apply to all religions, other than Islam, and the law apply to Islam only. Cool? Nope. That isn't cool either, as this would be favor the establishment of some religions over others, which also violates the First Amendment.

    3) But, if we allow Sharia law, wouldn't Muslims begin stoning to death adulterers, and those who speak out against Islam? Of course not. There are already laws against that. Let me add that Jews practice Jewish law extensively, and you don't see Jews holding public executions of people who violate God's law, do you? Of course not.

    This is why the bill moving through Oklahoma is nothing but a bugagoo, based on nothing but fear tactics. Reasonable people can allow the laws of the various religions to have an impact on the daily lives of those who follow those religions, just as long as it is Constitutional. That, my friends, is the key to the whole thing. As Thomas Jefferson once said:



    In the spirit of Jefferson, let us all pray that the people in Oklahoma put down their pitch forks.

    Article is here.
    I don't understand. Why don't they just include every religion saying that any religious laws that conflict with statutes on the books are illegal? Isn't that what they're really trying to do?
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't understand. Why don't they just include every religion saying that any religious laws that conflict with statutes on the books are illegal? Isn't that what they're really trying to do?
    If it were just that, it would be OK, but it isn't because Oklahoma went too far. A similar law was shot down last year in Oklahoma because it violated the establishment clause. As long as what religions do are constitutional, they cannot be touched. That means Islam, as well as Christian, Jewish, and all other religions.
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    As the aforementioned infidel, I am grateful to the courts for their protection from this unwarranted infringement of my religious rights as an American citizen. I hope and I pray that the courts continue to display such wisdom.

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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Muslims in Oklahoma are pissed, and are going to fight the law. But that doesn't matter. The bill, as proposed in Oklahoma is blatantly unconstitutional. Let me explain:

    1) The wording of the bill, in it's present form, would exclude ALL religious law from being followed. That means Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant too. Many, many contracts are made which some of the terms are guided by religious law. All these contracts would become null and void, which means that the First Amendment rights of people of ALL religions would be violated, per the establishment clause.

    2) OK, so remove the provisions that apply to all religions, other than Islam, and the law apply to Islam only. Cool? Nope. That isn't cool either, as this would be favor the establishment of some religions over others, which also violates the First Amendment.

    3) But, if we allow Sharia law, wouldn't Muslims begin stoning to death adulterers, and those who speak out against Islam? Of course not. There are already laws against that. Let me add that Jews practice Jewish law extensively, and you don't see Jews holding public executions of people who violate God's law, do you? Of course not.

    This is why the bill moving through Oklahoma is nothing but a bugagoo, based on nothing but fear tactics. Reasonable people can allow the laws of the various religions to have an impact on the daily lives of those who follow those religions, just as long as it is Constitutional. That, my friends, is the key to the whole thing. As Thomas Jefferson once said:



    In the spirit of Jefferson, let us all pray that the people in Oklahoma put down their pitch forks.

    Article is here.
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    I tried to not acknowledge when OK did this... They did it when the GOP was attacking the NYC Mosque, and there was a rise in Mosque fires and violence. I thought it was just a way for them to shore up votes from the fearful, ignorant, and racists in their districts..

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    If I am not mistaken the law makes following any aspect of a religous law illegal

    Not eating pork because of a religious law, illegal
    Not working on saturday or sunday due to religion illlegal
    Religous laws stating it is a requirement to pray a certain numbe of times illegal
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    Let's talk about religious tolerance. Was it France that recently banned the burkha? I thought that was a really interesting debate. Without having a dog in that fight, I could see both sides. On one hand, religious expression is being stifled (and for that reason such a ban wouldn't fly in the US), on the other, the burka is seen as a sign of oppression of women. So, what interest is more important? Should oppression be tolerated in the name of religious freedom?

    Using a more extreme example, there are those that strongly believe that female circumcision (or genital mutilation depending on your POV) is important to keep a girl from having pre-marital sex. From their perspective (arguing it as best as I can understand it), sure it's painful, but what's a few hours of pain in this lifetime when compared to potentially protecting her eternal soul? On the other hand, our laws would likely see it as child abuse, especially if practiced the way it is in certain countries. So, what prevails here? Religious freedom or protecting a child?
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    What we need to pray for is that Oklahoma gets the wording right and in doing so set the bar for all States to follow.

    As a Nation we cannot be having laws on the books that say it's okay to stone your daughter to death because she kissed her boy friend at a high school dance. Or murder your wife because you feel she dishonored you some how.

    Sharia law is the definition of evil and must be stopped before it gets started.

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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    What we need to pray for is that Oklahoma gets the wording right and in doing so set the bar for all States to follow.

    As a Nation we cannot be having laws on the books that say it's okay to stone your daughter to death because she kissed her boy friend at a high school dance. Or murder your wife because you feel she dishonored you some how.

    Sharia law is the definition of evil and must be stopped before it gets started.
    We won't be having those types of laws...

    What Oklahoma is trying to do is stop courts from using foreign laws for precendent in certain cases. These are cases like Islamic/Jewish marriages and contracts. There's absolutely no point to the bill except fear tactics. This bill would stop Orthodox Jews from resolving contractual disputes with each other using Talmudic law. Nothing about using Talmudic or Sharia law in arbitration would allow for federal and state laws to be bypassed (ie - sanctioning murder).

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