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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    HAHAH, Sharia Law has been used in the US since the first muslims arrived. A bit late to stop it before it gets started..

    I would say more but that would get me banned
    What Sharia Law means depends on the person.... Some people don't understand that. They hear "Sharia Law" and they freak out... I call that ignorance.

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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Muslims in Oklahoma are pissed, and are going to fight the law. But that doesn't matter. The bill, as proposed in Oklahoma is blatantly unconstitutional. Let me explain:

    1) The wording of the bill, in it's present form, would exclude ALL religious law from being followed. That means Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant too. Many, many contracts are made which some of the terms are guided by religious law. All these contracts would become null and void, which means that the First Amendment rights of people of ALL religions would be violated, per the establishment clause.
    Contracts don't become null and void unless provisions violate U.S. law. Two people can agree to anything, and cite any reason for doing so, as long as the contract doesn't include something illegal. People sign away their rights all the time in contracts. An example would be a 'confidentiality agreement' -- which, it could be said, violates our right to free speech.

    2) OK, so remove the provisions that apply to all religions, other than Islam, and the law apply to Islam only. Cool? Nope. That isn't cool either, as this would be favor the establishment of some religions over others, which also violates the First Amendment.
    Why would one not apply it to all religions?

    3) But, if we allow Sharia law, wouldn't Muslims begin stoning to death adulterers, and those who speak out against Islam? Of course not. There are already laws against that. Let me add that Jews practice Jewish law extensively, and you don't see Jews holding public executions of people who violate God's law, do you? Of course not.
    Right. An example of why this law is unnecessary.

    This is why the bill moving through Oklahoma is nothing but a bugagoo, based on nothing but fear tactics. Reasonable people can allow the laws of the various religions to have an impact on the daily lives of those who follow those religions, just as long as it is Constitutional. That, my friends, is the key to the whole thing.
    Exactly right. Based on nothing but fear. Reeeedickalus. Dead on.
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    There is also the argument that burkas empower women... Some women chose to wear them, and I understand they feel it's liberating because they go about their business and don't feel they are judged based on their looks, or held to a standard or image of an ideal woman...

    If it's their choice, then there is nothing wrong with it...
    and house slaves in the nineteenth century often talked of satisfaction with their lot. That made them slaves no less, just as the women who have embraced their second-class status are nevertheless empowering the very misogynistic culture that makes them second class.
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't read anything about.........



    STATE OF OKLAHOMA

    1st Session of the 53rd Legislature (2011)

    HOUSE BILL 1552 By: Kern

    AS INTRODUCED

    An Act relating to foreign law; stating legislative findings pertaining to certain rights and privileges; defining term; declaring certain rulings and decisions to be in violation of public policy; making certain rulings and decisions void and unenforceable; declaring certain contracts and contractual provisions to be in violation of public policy; making certain contracts and contractual provisions void and unenforceable; requiring denial of certain motions relating to venue; providing for codification; and providing an effective date.

    BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA:
    SECTION 1. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 20 of Title 12, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
    A. The Legislature fully recognizes the right to contract freely under the laws of this state, and also recognizes that this right may be reasonably and rationally circumscribed pursuant to the state’s interest to protect and promote rights and privileges granted under the United States or Oklahoma Constitution.
    B. As used in this section, “foreign law, legal code, or system” means any law, rule, legal code, or system of a jurisdiction outside of any state or territory of the United States, including, but not limited to, international organizations and tribunals, and applied by that jurisdiction’s courts, administrative bodies, or other formal or informal tribunals.
    C. Any court, arbitration, tribunal, or administrative agency ruling or decision shall violate the public policy of this state and be void and unenforceable if the court, arbitration, tribunal, or administrative agency bases its rulings or decisions in the matter at issue in whole or in part on any law, rule, legal code or system that would not grant the parties affected by the ruling or decision the same fundamental liberties, rights, and privileges granted under the United States and Oklahoma Constitutions.
    D. A contract, or contractual provision if capable of segregation from the contract as a whole, which provides for the choice of a law, legal code or system to govern some or all of the disputes between the parties adjudicated by a court of law or by an arbitration panel arising from the contract mutually agreed upon shall violate the public policy of this state and be void and unenforceable if the law, legal code or system chosen includes or incorporates any substantive or procedural law, as applied to the dispute at issue, that would not grant the parties the same fundamental liberties, rights, and privileges granted under the United States and Oklahoma Constitutions.
    E. A contract, or contractual provision if capable of segregation from the contract as a whole, which provides for a jurisdiction for purposes of granting the courts or arbitration panels in personam jurisdiction over the parties to adjudicate any disputes between parties arising from the contract mutually agreed upon shall violate the public policy of this state and be void and unenforceable if the jurisdiction chosen includes any law, legal code or system, as applied to the dispute at issue, that would not grant the parties the same fundamental liberties, rights, and privileges granted under the United States and Oklahoma Constitutions.
    F. If a resident of this state, subject to personal jurisdiction in this state, seeks to maintain litigation, arbitration, agency or similarly binding proceedings in this state and if the courts of this state find that granting a claim of forum non conveniens or a related claim violates or would likely violate the fundamental liberties, rights, and privileges granted under the United States and Oklahoma Constitutions of the nonclaimant in the foreign forum with respect to the matter in dispute, then it is the public policy of this state that the claim shall be denied.

    SECTION 2. This act shall become effective November 1, 2011.

    The ballot title that voters saw on their ballot read:

    This measure amends the State Constitution. It changes a section that deals with the courts of this state. It would amend Article 7, Section 1. It makes courts rely on federal and state law when deciding cases. It forbids courts from considering or using international law. It forbids courts from considering or using Sharia Law.

    International law is also known as the law of nations. It deals with the conduct of international organizations and independent nations, such as countries, states and tribes. It deals with their relationship with each other. It also deals with some of their relationships with persons.

    The law of nations is formed by the general assent of civilized nations. Sources of international law also include international agreements, as well as treaties.

    Sharia Law is Islamic law. It is based on two principal sources, the Koran and the teaching of Mohammed.

    Shall the proposal be approved?

    For the proposal

    Yes: __________

    Against the proposal

    No: __________
    As someone mentioned earlier this had little to do with the law and more to do with scoring votes and inciting hate/fear.
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    and house slaves in the nineteenth century often talked of satisfaction with their lot. That made them slaves no less, just as the women who have embraced their second-class status are nevertheless empowering the very misogynistic culture that makes them second class.
    Being forced to wear a burka is not the same as choosing. The fact that some nuns and Muslim women prefer to hide themselves is evidence that they enjoy being free from sexist institutions in society. That does not mean that they enjoy experiencing sexism.

    On the other hand, religious preference, freedom, and self determination also plays a role. Many argue that religious institutions are sexist... so perhaps that is at the heart of this issue. Most religions teach women to hide, cover their body, their hair, etc. so they don't promote lust in men. Taking this further you'll find people blame females whom are raped, for their rape. I have no knowledge of religious texts telling men how to act or behave towards women to not promote lust in themselves.

    Simply making women take of a burka is not going to change their status in society...

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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    What we need to pray for is that Oklahoma gets the wording right and in doing so set the bar for all States to follow.

    As a Nation we cannot be having laws on the books that say it's okay to stone your daughter to death because she kissed her boy friend at a high school dance. Or murder your wife because you feel she dishonored you some how.

    Sharia law is the definition of evil and must be stopped before it gets started.
    Well I'm pretty sure that's cruel and unusual punishment which is forbidden. I don't know, I see this sort of thing from time to time and have a hard time believing any rational individual would truly believe that Sharia law of this type would be possible in the US. It's not.
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Let's talk about religious tolerance. Was it France that recently banned the burkha? I thought that was a really interesting debate. Without having a dog in that fight, I could see both sides. On one hand, religious expression is being stifled (and for that reason such a ban wouldn't fly in the US), on the other, the burka is seen as a sign of oppression of women. So, what interest is more important? Should oppression be tolerated in the name of religious freedom?

    Using a more extreme example, there are those that strongly believe that female circumcision (or genital mutilation depending on your POV) is important to keep a girl from having pre-marital sex. From their perspective (arguing it as best as I can understand it), sure it's painful, but what's a few hours of pain in this lifetime when compared to potentially protecting her eternal soul? On the other hand, our laws would likely see it as child abuse, especially if practiced the way it is in certain countries. So, what prevails here? Religious freedom or protecting a child?
    That one is easy. When it comes to female circumcision, that's a violation of the child's constitutional rights. The Constitution prevails here.
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That one is easy. When it comes to female circumcision, that's a violation of the child's constitutional rights. The Constitution prevails here.
    Well, maybe not as easy as you think. The Constitution protects citizens against the power of the government. If there's no government actor, then the Constitution is not implicated.
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I tried to not acknowledge when OK did this... They did it when the GOP was attacking the NYC Mosque, and there was a rise in Mosque fires and violence. I thought it was just a way for them to shore up votes from the fearful, ignorant, and racists in their districts..
    This is as pathetic, hateful & absurdly false of a comment as I've read here in recent days.

    Please show us where the huge rise in Mosque fires was? Liar

    How about the huge rise in violence against against Muslims? You cant or you'll have to look awefully hard for scraps. If anything with Fort Hood & other incidents it was the other way around.

    The truth here is plain for us to see that you cant tolerate people with a different opinion than yourself so you throw out crap like this and expose your bigotry and intolerance.

    Whats even more amazing is your defense of supporters of Sharia law which is about as hateful & intolerant of a law that could possibly be.

    So what is it ignorance? prejudice? or maybe you agree with Sharia?
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    IF there is a way to block Sharia law from even being practiced in America I am 100% for it. It is more evil than witchcraft.
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