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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    What we need to pray for is that Oklahoma gets the wording right and in doing so set the bar for all States to follow.

    As a Nation we cannot be having laws on the books that say it's okay to stone your daughter to death because she kissed her boy friend at a high school dance. Or murder your wife because you feel she dishonored you some how.

    Sharia law is the definition of evil and must be stopped before it gets started.
    You do understand the complete disconnect from reality the idea of stoning someone made legal because one minority religious group wasn't persecuted requires, right?

    Is there really anything vaguely resembling a slight possibility of a majority of law-makers being extreme muslims in this country?

    I'd be more concerned about a group of extremist christians making stoning gays legal than this. But neither is anywhere close to plausible. This sort of law is purely symbolic "nationalism" at its worst.
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    let's not forget there are already constitutional laws that would prevent using other than American laws to make decisions in American courts.
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Sharia law is the definition of evil and must be stopped before it gets started.
    HAHAH, Sharia Law has been used in the US since the first muslims arrived. A bit late to stop it before it gets started..

    I would say more but that would get me banned
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    HAHAH, Sharia Law has been used in the US since the first muslims arrived. A bit late to stop it before it gets started..

    I would say more but that would get me banned
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    1) The wording of the bill, in it's present form, would exclude ALL religious law from being followed. That means Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant too. Many, many contracts are made which some of the terms are guided by religious law. All these contracts would become null and void, which means that the First Amendment rights of people of ALL religions would be violated, per the establishment clause.
    Could some one show me some examples of these contracts? I am not saying they don't exist(I trust Dan, so if he says they do, they probably do), but have never heard of this before and I find myself at a loss to envision such a contract.
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Could some one show me some examples of these contracts? I am not saying they don't exist(I trust Dan, so if he says they do, they probably do), but have never heard of this before and I find myself at a loss to envision such a contract.
    Anything done after Jewish religious law for example. Jewish divorce, contracts between two Jews where the contract conditions are based on Jewish religious law. Any arbitration agreements done by Rabbis You can substitute Jew and Jewish with Muslim and Islam. All are in principle legal contracts under US law and European law as long as they do not conflict with standing laws on the subjects. Like it or not the US and Europe have freedoms which include the ability to make any sort of contract within the boundaries of law (as in no excessive interest rates or conditions).

    The use of "religious" law/rules by all religions have been done for centuries and are all fully legal. Not to mention quite a large part of standing law is based on religious law/rules... murder, rape, incest, stealing ..
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    For a different perspective, because this thread needs it.

    In what might be filed under "Who would have thought it to be so?" Oklahoma may have been at the political forefront by addressing a ban on the use of Sharia law in courts of the state. Sharia, or Shariah, is Islamic law.
    At the time, November 2010, the proposed law on the ballot seemed pointless to many Oklahoma residents. After all, Oklahoma's constitution already spelled out which laws were to be upheld. Still, the proposal to ban Sharia law from being used to decide matters of law passed successfully. Many people thought Oklahoma's conservatism had gone too far.
    But Newsmax.com reports a judge in Tampa, Fla., has ordered that a lawsuit against the Islamic Education Center of Tampa must be decided using Ecclesiastical Islamic Law. The mosque's attorney has filed an appeal with the Second District Court of Appeals over Judge Richard Nielsen's decision. The mosque is advocating the use of secular law in this secular situation.
    Oklahoma's Sharia Law Ban Not so Far Off Mark - Yahoo! News
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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    What we need to pray for is that Oklahoma gets the wording right and in doing so set the bar for all States to follow.

    As a Nation we cannot be having laws on the books that say it's okay to stone your daughter to death because she kissed her boy friend at a high school dance. Or murder your wife because you feel she dishonored you some how.

    Sharia law is the definition of evil and must be stopped before it gets started.
    Wow. Fear really will convince people of anything.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Let's talk about religious tolerance. Was it France that recently banned the burkha? I thought that was a really interesting debate. Without having a dog in that fight, I could see both sides. On one hand, religious expression is being stifled (and for that reason such a ban wouldn't fly in the US), on the other, the burka is seen as a sign of oppression of women. So, what interest is more important? Should oppression be tolerated in the name of religious freedom?

    Using a more extreme example, there are those that strongly believe that female circumcision (or genital mutilation depending on your POV) is important to keep a girl from having pre-marital sex. From their perspective (arguing it as best as I can understand it), sure it's painful, but what's a few hours of pain in this lifetime when compared to potentially protecting her eternal soul? On the other hand, our laws would likely see it as child abuse, especially if practiced the way it is in certain countries. So, what prevails here? Religious freedom or protecting a child?
    There is also the argument that burkas empower women... Some women chose to wear them, and I understand they feel it's liberating because they go about their business and don't feel they are judged based on their looks, or held to a standard or image of an ideal woman...

    If it's their choice, then there is nothing wrong with it...

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    Re: Campaign launched against anti-Sharia law bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    What we need to pray for is that Oklahoma gets the wording right and in doing so set the bar for all States to follow.

    As a Nation we cannot be having laws on the books that say it's okay to stone your daughter to death because she kissed her boy friend at a high school dance. Or murder your wife because you feel she dishonored you some how.

    Sharia law is the definition of evil and must be stopped before it gets started.
    It's already illegal to stone your daughter to death... I expect you think Mosaic Law is equally as evil

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