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    U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed Air

    Six Libyan villagers are recovering in hospital after being shot by American soldiers coming in to rescue the U.S. pilots whose plane crash-landed in a field.

    The helicopter strafed the ground as it landed in a field outside Benghazi beside the downed U.S. Air Force F-15E Eagle which ran into trouble during bombing raid last night.

    And a handful of locals who had come to greet the pilots were hit - among them a young boy who may have to have a leg amputated because of injuries caused by a bullet wound.

    Read more: Libya war: US chopper shoots 6 villagers who welcomed Air Force F-15 crash pilots | Mail Online
    Libya war: US chopper shoots 6 villagers who welcomed Air Force F-15 crash pilots | Mail Online

    Very unfortunate, but you don't approach a downed US pilot during a military operation. Even with good intentions.
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Libya war: US chopper shoots 6 villagers who welcomed Air Force F-15 crash pilots | Mail Online

    Very unfortunate, but you don't approach a downed US pilot during a military operation. Even with good intentions.
    Damn shame the civilians didn't have a copy of the Rules of Engagement.
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    until we hear more specifics, we won't know if the crew of the chopper could have/should have showed more restraint. I will therefore reserve judgment for the moment.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Yea I know, that's why I didn't judge anything. Just stated that walking up to a downed airman in a combat zone isn't smart. When a rescue chopper comes in to get you they're trying to protect your life. Had they NOT shot and this pilot get injured or killed right in front of the rescue chopper, we would never hear the end of it. They erred on the side of caution. It's like BOTH sides did nothing wrong.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Terrible things happen sometimes, especially in war. I hope the injured villagers recover and that this experience doesn't cast a shadow over their view of us.

    It's ridiculous to blame the villagers for their injuries, however. They saw someone in distress and tried to come to his aid. If they'd retrieved the pilot before the helicopter had arrived, this story would have had a happy ending.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Isn't it a cardinal sin to not have identified your target before you shoot...should at least figure out if your target is armed/hostile before one pulls the trigger?
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    I'm sure the pilot figured out that the villagers were Libyans converging on the person he was attempting to rescue. Given the circumstances, he had no way of determining whether they were friendly or hostile, so he erred on the side of caution. I'm sure he feels terrible about this, but he'd feel far worse if they'd been hostile and he allowed them to reach the downed pilot.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I'm sure the pilot figured out that the villagers were Libyans converging on the person he was attempting to rescue. Given the circumstances, he had no way of determining whether they were friendly or hostile, so he erred on the side of caution. I'm sure he feels terrible about this, but he'd feel far worse if they'd been hostile and he allowed them to reach the downed pilot.
    Guess I just have a different opinion on what caution means. For me erring on the side of caution would be to identify your target before you shoot, not shoot first ask questions later.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Terrible things happen sometimes, especially in war. I hope the injured villagers recover and that this experience doesn't cast a shadow over their view of us.

    It's ridiculous to blame the villagers for their injuries, however. They saw someone in distress and tried to come to his aid. If they'd retrieved the pilot before the helicopter had arrived, this story would have had a happy ending.
    I agree... and I imagine they didn't have guns since they are described as "villagers" not rebels.

    If they had guns and were mistaken, that would be different... It just doesn't seem right that the soldiers would open fire on anybody in the area.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    The U.S. Military is denying that this happened at all. They know that two bombs were dropped on two armored vehicles headed for the pilot. They are denying reports that anyone fired at civilians. Maybe we ought to take a wait-and-see attitude here. It wouldn't surprise me much of this were all propaganda. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/wo...er=rss&emc=rss
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