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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    IF something like this happens (and happens to be true. And I mean a non-combatant dying at our hands) and it was accident then the killer should be removed from service for not having good enough judgement. If it is somehow proven to be more than an accident we need to charge our own with terrorism or we are just hypocrits.
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    IF something like this happens (and happens to be true. And I mean a non-combatant dying at our hands) and it was accident then the killer should be removed from service for not having good enough judgement. If it is somehow proven to be more than an accident we need to charge our own with terrorism or we are just hypocrits.
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What?????? Ya' had me 'til your first sentence.
    Are you a follower of "Do as I say, not as I do"?
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Are you a follower of "Do as I say, not as I do"?
    No, Chris. (I love your name, btw.)

    Soldiers are not perfect human beings. They are going to make mistakes. Innocent people are going to die in war. That's reality. You "lost me" when you said, And I mean a non-combatant dying at our hands -- and it was accident -- then the killer should be removed from service for not having good enough judgement.

    Maybe you are very young. No offense intended. But soldiers have split seconds to make decisions. Make the wrong one. You die. Or someone else does. They are not expected to be perfect. But they are expected to act within the rules of engagement and without malice. That is alllll we can rightfully expect from soldiers who are told, "Go forth and fight for your country."
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    IF something like this happens (and happens to be true. And I mean a non-combatant dying at our hands) and it was accident then the killer should be removed from service for not having good enough judgement. If it is somehow proven to be more than an accident we need to charge our own with terrorism or we are just hypocrits.
    So if the guy hadn't shot, and these people had been enemies, and killed the soldier on the ground...should the person also have been removed in that situation as well for not having "good enough judgement".

    Real life isn't Ghost in the Shell, peopel aren't anime characters with picture perfect reflexes, and every situation isn't cut and dry simple mathmetics to discover exactly what is going on. Sometimes you have a limited amount of time at hands and your choices is either gamble with one life or gamble with the other.

    If he didn't have time or ability from mid air in a chopper to make a clear cut unquestionable determination on who or what these people were then he had to choose...gamble on their lives or gamble on the soldiers life. Either way, he was going to have to make an educated guess with the cost of failure being someone wrongfully getting hurt.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    too damn many people speak without knowing WTF they are talking about. if your sole experience with combat is playing "call of duty" on the x-box, you really don't have much room to criticize soldiers who are in actual combat.
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Very unfortunate, but you don't approach a downed US pilot during a military operation. Even with good intentions.
    I'm not seeing corroboration of this story in any other news source.

    If it happened it's a shame - nothing strikes me as deliberate and the copter pilot wouldn't have had much time to react.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    too damn many people speak without knowing WTF they are talking about. if your sole experience with combat is playing "call of duty" on the x-box, you really don't have much room to criticize soldiers who are in actual combat.
    I also play Halo, am I qualified? I've started up Killzone 3 too.

    But in the end, I don't know all the information but it's hard to blame the soldier given the dynamics of the warfront there. There have certainly been aggressive civilians who have gone after troops if they were presented the chance. It's a split second decision. I mean, there does need to be investigation to make sure it is what it is; but there are even friendly fire accidents in war. I think what this points to the most is not that our troops should be punished if they have to make one of these split second decisions based on their combat experience. But rather that we as the owners of the government and thus the military have a responsibility to our soldiers. We shouldn't have to put them in situations like this where there is no real threat to America and have them put their lives on the line for other sovereign states which should be handling their own business. We should not be the world police, nor should we ask our military to behave as such.
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    So if a California boy was found guilty of killing civs on purpose it wouldnt be terrorism in your eyes?

    But if some brown guy that worships Allah killed civs on purpose it would ammount to terrorism or no?

    What im saying is! If testimony from fellow soldiers and bulletproof evidence was ever shown in any situation and it was one of our guys doing the deed would you think hes a terrorist or does it only apply to other countries? Us being there and civilians dying by US hands DOES affect political outcome and scare people.

    If this situation turned out to be real and they guy was somehow found guilty of causing choas on purpose its not okay to call it out?

    As for accidents... If you kill someone that doesnt pose a threat you do not belong on todays modern battlefield. With the gaint weapons of destruction we have how can you feel okay about not removing soldiers that have accidents? We arent takling about video games here. You guys are absolutely right. We are talking about real human life. **** that cant come back once taken.
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We should not be the world police, nor should we ask our military to behave as such.

    true, but if people are going to insist that we do act as world police, they need to STFU and let us do it. funny how if we do go in to some other country to try to help, all the pacifists cry about it and if we don't go in and try to help, the same damn people piss themselves crying that we should have done something.

    The US is in a no win situation with crap like this. damned if we do, damned if we don't.
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