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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    A report on TV just showed that those injured are not holding a grudge over being hurt. So that's a good thing.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Libya war: US chopper shoots 6 villagers who welcomed Air Force F-15 crash pilots | Mail Online

    Very unfortunate, but you don't approach a downed US pilot during a military operation. Even with good intentions.
    On another thread you're calling the Libyan operation illegal, suggesting that it's an impeachable offense because Obama didn't get authorization from Congress; and here, you're all nonchalant about a few innocent civilians supposedly killed by US troops. Could you focus, please? Either you're faux outraged over the war, or you're a cold war hawk. You can't be both. Make up your mind.


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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    On another thread you're calling the Libyan operation illegal, suggesting that it's an impeachable offense because Obama didn't get authorization from Congress; and here, you're all nonchalant about a few innocent civilians supposedly killed by US troops. Could you focus, please? Either you're faux outraged over the war, or you're a cold war hawk. You can't be both. Make up your mind.
    Did you even read the OP link? Obviously not.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    On another thread you're calling the Libyan operation illegal, suggesting that it's an impeachable offense because Obama didn't get authorization from Congress; and here, you're all nonchalant about a few innocent civilians supposedly killed by US troops. Could you focus, please? Either you're faux outraged over the war, or you're a cold war hawk. You can't be both. Make up your mind.
    Or maybe he understands the difference between opposition to the war and opposition to the realities of war. I'm against our involvement as well, but that doesn't mean I'm going to cry crocodile tears over every possible incident that paints our involvement in a negative light.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Did you even read the OP link? Obviously not.
    I'm not sure what the OP link has to do with your own faux outrage and inconsistencies.


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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    I'm not sure what the OP link has to do with your own faux outrage and inconsistencies.
    Because **** happens in war.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The U.S. Military is denying that this happened at all. They know that two bombs were dropped on two armored vehicles headed for the pilot. They are denying reports that anyone fired at civilians. Maybe we ought to take a wait-and-see attitude here. It wouldn't surprise me much of this were all propaganda. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/wo...er=rss&emc=rss
    good, let's hope this is the case.
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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Guess I just have a different opinion on what caution means. For me erring on the side of caution would be to identify your target before you shoot, not shoot first ask questions later.
    Sad fact in War that likely gets lost in the giltz and glamor of hollywood, the PC world we live in, and us arm chair quarterback civilians is that moral equivilancy goes out the window. You see one of your men down there and your primary focus is keeping him safe. Now does that mean you open fire on a bunch of citizens coming towards him? Of course not. You go to all lengths you possibly can to discern a threat. However, if you're unable to be certain one way or another and you get to a point where you have to either act or gamble with his life...I can't blame a soldier for acting.

    For all of us civilians who want to boo hoo it and cry foul and say how horrible of a monster he is an the american soldiers life wasn't any more important than the villagers....you tell me that if given a situation where you think there's a 50/50 shot that a loved one is about to be killed if you don't shoot the people coming towards them and you reach that point of no return that you'd honestly gamble on your loved ones life rather than taking the shot?

    As much as we all like to put ourselves on these huge moral pedestals and act like everythings equal, we do so hypocritical blind of reality even within our own lives let alone what the realities of War are. Its stuff like this that ultimately I think all the coverage we have these days is a bad thing because I gurantee that stuff like this wasn't any less common, if not more common, in the wars of old.

    Would I like these situations to not occur? Of course. And do I hope that the military does an internal investigation to be sure the guy did attempt to discern intent and get a clear understanding of the target first up until a point requiring action? Absolutely. But if its determined this did happen and the pilot tried his best to get a clear understanding of the target and was finally put into a situation where his best judgement was that there was still a strong possability that the soldiers life was at risk, then I do not blame him for that action.

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    Re: U.S. rescue chopper shoots six Libyan villagers as they welcome pilots of downed

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Or maybe he understands the difference between opposition to the war and opposition to the realities of war. I'm against our involvement as well, but that doesn't mean I'm going to cry crocodile tears over every possible incident that paints our involvement in a negative light.
    You are correct.

    I opposed it completely at first, then I supported us stopping this madman from killing his own people, but I do not support a full occupation.

    That, and had he actually READ the article, he would have known that "shot" does not equal "dead" and that NOBODY was killed. But instead he says "allegedly killed" making it quite obvious he didn't even read a damn thing.
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