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    Re: Nobel Committee asked to strip Obama of Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    Does he deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?
    He was giving it because of hype. He never deserved it in the first place as he had done nothing to earn it before he got it. Him recieving it was one big joke.
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    Re: Nobel Committee asked to strip Obama of Peace Prize

    He never deserved it in the first place.

    He only got it because he's half black, and I'm not being racist I'm pointing out racism. Other wise you tell me where he added to peace anywhere.

    All he had done was travel the Middle East playing the great appeaser, and apologizing for things he should have kept his damn mouth shut.

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    Re: Nobel Committee asked to strip Obama of Peace Prize

    Threads like this amaze even me.

    President Obama, knows that he did not earn the prize and he stated as much in public before. So, that's not what I find interesting. What I find interesting about this thread and threads like it, is the total hypocrisy with which they are contrived and underwritten.

    The level of intellectual dishonesty on the subject of whether or not Obama, has done anything to make the world a safer and more peaceful place, is so ripe with ridiculous hypocrisy, that I hardly even know where to start.

    It was George W. Bush, and his 'gone rogue' Administration that launched the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to begin with, not President Obama. The fact that anybody has to remind anyone of those details, is incredibly sad. So, Obama, did not set the table for himself, nor did he deal his own cards - that table and those cards were set before him.

    Obama, campaigned on the promise of dealing with both AQ and TB, whether in Afghanistan, or in Pakistan. He's been abundantly clear about that going all the way back to the campaign trail and he has not wavered one iota from that path. Obama, haters fail to mention this fact when they say that he's a warmonger. He promised to "responsibly" end the war in Iraq, which he did. He removed all combat troops from the field and left only those combat ready troops behind that would be necessary for the tear-down of the City we literally built in the desert.

    This is yet another glaring example of the typical Obma hater, not know what on earth they are talking about. You don't remove an invasion force overnight. Most importantly, you do not stage an entire invasion overnight. The logistics and engineering that went into the "City" that we built in Iraq, to support the invasion effort, well outside of Baghdad, is still operational and needs to be shut down. But, you cannot dismantle the fort, be removing all combat troops as that leave your back-door wide open upon your egress. Furthermore, some troops are still necessary to finish the ramp-up of the Iraqi Security Force, so they can deal with threats on their own. This is primarily why you don't see us pouring out of Iraq, post haste. However, over 100,000 Iraqi troops have been re-deployed back home, or to their next assignment, depending on when they arrived in country.

    Now, with respect to Afghanistan, the United States of America has been making and failing to fulfill its promises to the Afghan People, since the Red Army invaded from the north. The United States government got us involved in that war as payback to the former USSR for its involvement in Vietnam. In addition, we were attempting to secure a southern pipeline from out of Afghanistan, along the boarder of Pakistan and into the Arabian Sea. That never happened. Also, our government, through the CIA, had funded the Afghan Resistance and created bases to train Afghan Rebels to deal with the Red Army. Those very same Afghan bases that we funded before the end of the war, turned into terrorist training basis for the Taliban in Afghanistan, after the war. It was our very own CIA, that virtually hand picked Osama Bin Laden, for use as a coalition builder in Afghanistan, as alliances among the Rebels began to fragment and it appeared that our dreams of a pipe-line might remain just a dream.

    We left Afghanistan, in virtual ruins, never providing all of the post-war support that we promised, never proving all of the funding that we promised and never concluded our mission to stand-up the Afghan Government which is precisely WHY it fell to the Taliban, on more than one occasion between the end of the Soviet/Afghan War, through the last U.S. led invasion of Afghanistan. As a direct result, Osama, switched sides and we began targeting the man for death, all the way from the end of the Reagan Administration, through the Bush 41 Administration, through the Clinton Administration, and through the Bush 43 Administration. Yet, with all that "targeting," we allegedly were unable to take the man out in Afghanistan, prior to September 11th, 2001. (which is another thread altogether)

    So, President Obama, is not in Afghanistan because he wants to be. He's not there because he placed us there. He's not there because it was his policies that put us there. We are in Afghanistan right now, because of the boneheaded foreign policy decisions of the past, that placed our nose into Afghan business, when we thought it would yield a pipe-line and we figured we could control Osama Bin Laden. We remain in Afghanistan, quite simply because we FAILED miserably to honor our promises to the Afghan People, to help stand-up their security forces after using their homeland as a place to get payback on the USSR.

    Because of our failed foreign policy decisions of the past, our failure to keep our word, and our failure to deal with TB adequately before marching off into the illegal invasion of Iraq, the Taliban regained its strength in Afghanistan and even Al Qaeda decided to move in on the action and disrupt the foundations of the new Afghan Government. That is why we are still conducting operations in Afghanistan to this very day.

    This President, has been tasked with cleaning-up so much crap, so much failed foreign policy with respect to the Middle East, so much economic turmoil caused by years of domestic policy neglect by the previous Administration and so much international mistrust on the part of the People of the Middle East, that I quite frankly don't know why he even wanted the darn job, given its level of difficult.

    He's CLEARLY not continuing the Bush 43 policy. Those are talking points made by hyper-partisans who never wanted to see him elected. He's cleaning-up the mad mess left behind be failed foreign policy decisions of the past. And, you cannot do that in Afghanistan, by simply walking away after using and abusing their country for the second time on record and never taking care of our promise to help them reach a point where they can effectively deal with TB and now AQ. Our promise to them is over 28 years OLD, folks! Don't you think it is about darn time we honored our promise?

    We USED them and then simply walked away! How on earth can we walk around the planet with high minded thoughts of Democracy and Free and Fair Elections, when we used Afghanistan like a cheap doormat for over 28 years? We OWE them this much. We made the darn promise and WE need to find a way to keep it!

    That is what this President understands and that is why his policy with respect to Afghanistan, is what it is today. He KNOWS the history of our involvement, just like I do and just like most Americans should - but unfortunately, the history I just spelled out here, is sadly not understood by most U.S. Citizens. This is precisely WHY the Afghan People are so darn leery about us today. Because, we keep promising performance and then we leave them in the lurch. Obama, is trying to put an end to that legacy.

    Furthermore, by launching preemptive attacks on the Middle East and in Afghanistan, after 911, the previous Administration, not Obama, created a hailstorm of anti-west hate that resulted in the recruitment of more terrorist in that part of the world, than at any other time in history, bar none. So, when you stoke the fires of terror, like the previous Administration did in Iraq and Afghanistan, you cannot simply pack-up and go home, leaving Afghanistan a vastly larger training ground than it ever was before for the export of terror around the world. So, Obma, of not policy decision of his own, is forced to play the cards he's been dealt through the legacy of the Bush Administration.

    That's not continuation of policy, that's cleaning-up bad policy that existed before his Administration.

    Regarding, Libya. This President has been clear from day one that Libya, is not the sole responsibility of the United States of America and that we have on right to [b]by ourselves[b] unilaterally dispose Gaddafi. He's made it clear from day one that the United Nations had the responsibility for dealing with Gaddafi and that the United States role would be limited to its membership in the United Nations and that the Arab's needed to get involved in solving an Arab problem. Wow - what a concept. A United States President, who actually believes that the United States should not be the world's police. Yet, this is exactly how Neoconservatives, now coming out of the woodwork on CNN and Fox News are attempting to portray what the President has done.

    The United States is operating under the declarations made in the U.N. special authorization for the use of force, expressly for the protection of the Libyan People. But, if you listen to the Neocons AND the Media, they have constantly been spinning the matter to conclude that the President has not been "clear" on what the U.S. role is in Libya. That's hogwash! He's been nothing but clear. He' stated the U.S. role multiple times and it has never changed! So, where do the Neocons and the Media, get their facts, that Obama has not been clear enough? It makes no sense, whatsoever. If I understand what the President has said, and what his Secretary of State has said, then why on earth can't CNN, Fox and every Neoconservative now coming out of hiding since the invasion of Iraq and the dispersal of Iraqi PSA Oil contracts? My goodness, talk about transparent spin.

    President Obam, made it abundantly clear: We operate under the U.N. authorization, with involvement from the Arabs and the rest of the U.N. coalition. The United States would assist in the establishment of the U.N. No-Fly-Zone. This is not a U.S. No-Fly-Zone. Once the NFZ has been erected and Libya's surface to air capability has been defeated, the U.S. role would significantly be reduced in size and scope militarily. That's what the President has said and he did so quite convincingly. Now, if I understand that, then why can't the media?

    This is not warmongering. This is in response to the People of Libya, for help from the United Nations! That's what we are doing in Libya. Nothing more and nothing less. And, no U.S. Troops are on the ground in Libya, regardless of how much the new media keeps harping on the subject of whether or not this matter will escalate. The mission is provide a No-Fly-Zone over the skies of Libya and to protect the Libyan People from slaughter by their government.

    If troops are needed on the ground, then those troops should come from a coalition wearing Blue Helmets which is precisely what I called for more than a month ago, before all the killing took place, but the U.N. dragged its feet in giving the authorization. The U.N. failed in that regard, not the President of the United States. He can't order Blue Helmets on the ground, which would have prevented most of the unnecessary bloodshed we see going on today.

    This President played it by the book. And, thank goodness he did. If we had unilaterally entered Libya, with Green and Brown Helmets, the entire world would have raised its voice about how Imperialistic we were behaving. Neocons would have taken to every television set to proclaim how inexperienced Obama was for the Presidency and the media would be doing a lot more than falsely claiming that Obama, has not been clear enough. He did this precisely the way an intelligent President should. He sent his Secretary of States to New York to push the U.N. to do its darn job (those lazy bums) and when the authorization came, the process of erecting the NFZ to protect the Libyan People began.

    It is not his fault that the U.N. dragged its feet, but he could have made matters far worse, by taking the Cowboy route and putting our feet on the ground in Libya. He's a smart dude who apparently knows full well how to handle this matter, because he played it correct from the word "GO."

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    Re: Nobel Committee asked to strip Obama of Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    So, an accomplished list of commi's, corrupt incompetents, general incompetents, terrorists, and dimwits have won it.

    Absolutely he should keep it. It was premature, but it seems they predicted he would fit right in.

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    Ehh... Gorby may have deserved it more than he did. Except that whole humanitarian thing after the collapse of the USSR.

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    Re: Nobel Committee asked to strip Obama of Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Here's a couple of people that actually deserved it, and gave it credit.

    Nothing the human race ever created was perfect guys.

    If a duly elected communist felon impresses you, that's up to you.
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    Re: Nobel Committee asked to strip Obama of Peace Prize

    I didn't think he deserved to win it in the first place, but now that they gave it to him I don't see much reason to take it away. As several people have already pointed out, a lot of the other winners haven't really deserved theirs either, and they still have tem.
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    Re: Nobel Committee asked to strip Obama of Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    What absolute rubbish. The US did not attack Libya - it is enforcing a UN no-fly zone against the Gaddafi regime with France, Italy, and Britain. It is doing so because, as you may recall, the dictator was using aircraft to demolish entire Libyan cities for protesting against him. This is the reason for the UN no-fly zone. I understand that many people in dogmatic corners of the left can't tell the difference between peace and pacifism, but the reality is that the UN no-fly zone serves peace and helps protect people who are exercising their human rights. The President is doing what's right, as usual. It's not the Nobel Pacifism Prize, and as for Paulist Libertarians who resent even being reminded that the world outside our borders even exists, it certainly isn't the Nobel Isolationism Prize.
    How about looking at it this way?

    We are helping to save civilians by bombing their country.

    You don't see a problem with that?
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    Re: Nobel Committee asked to strip Obama of Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If a duly elected communist felon impresses you, that's up to you.
    Communism and pushing for free markets do not go hand in hand.
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    Re: Nobel Committee asked to strip Obama of Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If a duly elected communist felon impresses you, that's up to you.


    Seemed to impress your congress on both sides.

    Hmmm...

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    Re: Nobel Committee asked to strip Obama of Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by PW4000 View Post
    Threads like this amaze even me.
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    One huge fail rant.

    1: No one is blaming Obama for starting wars in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    2: He got the NPP before Lybia so him getting it has nothing to do with that. Although him going there instead of keeping the US out of that conflict is certainly a good reason to demand that a PEACE prize be removed. After all...whats going on over there by the US is certainly NOT peaceful.

    3: When people say that he should not have gotten it in the first place they are talking about what he did, or rather did not do, to deserve something that is suppose to be reserved for those that do something noteworthy regarding PEACE. I'm sure that even you will acknowledge that he had done nothing to deserve it to begin with....maybe....

    4: No one has said that he claimed that the deserved it. No one is claiming that he has not admitted that he did not deserve it. It is true that he admitted that he did not deserve it. However the case could be argued that knowing that he didn't deserve it then perhaps he should have refused the NPP. But he didn't. Which could possibly mean that he thought he really did deserve it but was just trying to be "humble" by saying that he didn't.

    5: He is not a "smart dude" because he never should have gotten the US involved in a THIRD war when we already have 2 other wars going on. A smart dude would not fight a war on 3 fronts unless given no other option. Obama had another option. For that I dub him to be an idiot. An idiot that can and will get people killed.
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