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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    At leaste they didn't lie to us and concoct some ridiculous story about Weapons of Mass Destruction or something silly like that.
    Lying or not, it's improper use of my military.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

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    Lying or not, it's improper use of my military.
    You're wasting your time.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    GWB administration lied to the country.
    So, apparently, did these folks...

    You are both boring and predictable. Also dishonest...sure...but that part was...well...wait...that part was as obvious os the others...

    "This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

    "Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

    "Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

    "(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

    "Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

    "There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

    "What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

    "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

    "I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

    "Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

    "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

    "The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

    "I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

    "Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

    "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What was that threat again?
    The threat was that Hussein would risk national obliteration and use—directly or via proxies—the WMD stockpiles he had to launch an attack the US with the potential to be more devastating than 9-11.
    I may be wrong.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    At leaste they didn't lie to us and concoct some ridiculous story about Weapons of Mass Destruction or something silly like that.
    Actually most of them did. You also appear to be unfamiliar with Operation Desert Fox.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lying or not, it's improper use of my military.
    Most uses of the military are improper.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I supported the no-fly zone -- I guess without really understanding what that meant. I thought it meant if we catch any military planes in the air that we'd shoot them down. I didn't realize it meant bombing Daffy's compound and other military installations. Knowing that now, I think I'd have wanted to listen to DP'ers brainstorm what else might have been done instead. I strongly support the rebels and their mission to depose Daffy -- perhaps there was another way. Well. There was. But we don't do political assassinations.
    I did some brief research and that was my understanding also. It said it was to prevent Gadaffi's air force from shooting at rebels, their transport and their compounds from the air. The No Fly zone in Iraq didn't involve the sort of bombing and strafing we see today.

    It seems we might have been misled.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Most uses of the military are improper.
    Well with the current way we're abusing it, yes. But there are definitely proper means by which the military is used. I would say, however, that it is limited to defensive purposes only.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    GWB gave three reasons for attacking Iraq. All three are undeniable. Genocide, Iraqs ties to global terrorism, and Iraqs refussal to comply with the UN resolutions regarding disposition of his WMDs (all 17 of them, which he repeatedly ignored).
    we care about iraq genocide? we don't care about the homeless starving people in this country what makes you think we give 2 ****s about any iraq people? bs! "global terrorism"? how do/did we defeat that again? bs!! wmd's fell flat!!! bs!!!

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    You forgot the main reason, the reason that really sold the war--the threat to the US that had to be dealt with immediately.
    threat to the us? ha whatever dude, our seventh fleet could sit outside our boarders and nothing would get past them if that is what we REALLY wanted.

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