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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was in Iraq before OIF. He fled there after he was wounded in Afghanistan and started a terrorist trainning camp in NE Iraq.

    Never let actual facts destroy a perfectly good hoax.
    He was not, however, a member of al Qeada.

    In late 2004 he joined al-Qaeda, and pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden.

    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    You can't link al Qaeda to Saddam pre-invasion based on something that didn't occur until post invasion. So, it is you who are ignoring actual facts.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He was not, however, a member of al Qeada.

    In late 2004 he joined al-Qaeda, and pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden.

    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    You can't link al Qaeda to Saddam pre-invasion based on something that didn't occur until post invasion. So, it is you who are ignoring actual facts.

    Wow! Really? Well, he must have been just a stand up guy before that then huh? So your Nuh uh, is based on semantics.

    Good GAWD.


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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He was not, however, a member of al Qeada.

    In late 2004 he joined al-Qaeda, and pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden.

    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    You can't link al Qaeda to Saddam pre-invasion based on something that didn't occur until post invasion. So, it is you who are ignoring actual facts.
    So Zarqawi was fighting in Afghanistan for whom? Himself?

    His training camp in NE Iraq before OIF was training which terrorist group?

    Wiki isn't an accurate source for things like this. They aren't about to admit Bush was right. Like you they would rather take cyanide.

    You have to actually read a book or two. We both know you aren't going to do that.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He was not, however, a member of al Qeada.

    In late 2004 he joined al-Qaeda, and pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden.

    Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Geezus...wiki?

    Foreign fighters were just 3-4 % of all insurgents ... 4% is high. This insurgency was and still is almost purely Iraqi. Ignore the occassional Al Qaeda attack .. most SVBIEDs are from former regime loyalists.

    Zarqawi was a small player in the overall insurgency. Why give him so much play when former General Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri and the former head of the covert intelligence agency the Saddam Fedayeen, Special Security Service and Special Republican Guard were running, the war.

    Focus on the right enemy.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Geezus...wiki?

    Foreign fighters were just 3-4 % of all insurgents ... 4% is high. This insurgency was and still is almost purely Iraqi. Ignore the occassional Al Qaeda attack .. most SVBIEDs are from former regime loyalists.

    Zarqawi was a small player in the overall insurgency. Why give him so much play when former General Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri and the former head of the covert intelligence agency the Saddam Fedayeen, Special Security Service and Special Republican Guard were running, the war.

    Focus on the right enemy.
    That small percentage was responsible for the majority of the major bombings that killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

    People like Boo always try to blame the US for the Iraqi's al Qaeda killed.

    Some here blame the US for the innocent people killed on 9/11. Go figure.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    That small percentage was responsible for the majority of the major bombings that killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

    People like Boo always try to blame the US for the Iraqi's al Qaeda killed.

    Some here blame the US for the innocent people killed on 9/11. Go figure.
    Ron - They are playing a semantics game with ya

    People get so wrapped around the definitions, that they forget the threat.

    Islamic Jihadist Terrorists with a willingness to work with/for al-Qaeda are "al-Qaeda" enough for me.

    End of story

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow! Really? Well, he must have been just a stand up guy before that then huh? So your Nuh uh, is based on semantics.

    Good GAWD.


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    Not at all. But he wasn't a member of al qaeda. So you can't claim him as evidence of Saddam working with al Qeada. It's called being honest j.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    So Zarqawi was fighting in Afghanistan for whom? Himself?

    His training camp in NE Iraq before OIF was training which terrorist group?

    Wiki isn't an accurate source for things like this. They aren't about to admit Bush was right. Like you they would rather take cyanide.

    You have to actually read a book or two. We both know you aren't going to do that.
    Why don't you research to find out. The link I gave you outlines his history pretty well.

    And actually, wiki is a fine overview source. However, and search will link you to thousands of articles saying exactly the same thing.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Geezus...wiki?

    Foreign fighters were just 3-4 % of all insurgents ... 4% is high. This insurgency was and still is almost purely Iraqi. Ignore the occassional Al Qaeda attack .. most SVBIEDs are from former regime loyalists.

    Zarqawi was a small player in the overall insurgency. Why give him so much play when former General Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri and the former head of the covert intelligence agency the Saddam Fedayeen, Special Security Service and Special Republican Guard were running, the war.

    Focus on the right enemy.
    I don't give him much play. Ron does. I'm trying to get him to focus on the Iraqis, who were and are theones we're actually fighting. Ron has a lot of misperceptions concerning the war. He thinks defeating Iraqis defeats all of al Qaeda. This is inaccurate. He thinks Saddam was working with al Qaeda, and this is also inaccurate. Iraq was not an attack on our threat, but a place where we fought and killed people who would not have been otherwise been involved in figting us at all.

    And no, 4% is not a high number, especially considering most of those were new recruits with no previous connection to any terrorist group. This means the core group of al Qaeda invested very little in Iraq overall. It was never a place they had to "win." It was instead an unexpected opportunity for them to hurt us. The won the second we we went into Iraq. It has cost us far more than them, and for very little in return.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, but his people are dangerous.....Lotta talk today about Samantha Power being involved in pushing this intervention into Libya....That in itself wouldn't be so bad if she weren't an anti Semitic piece of trash.


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