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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Ok then how about we don't disturb the hornet nest and we don't worry about them at all and let them do whatever the hell they want in their own land.
    That's about my thinking. I hope the anti-Gaddafi guys win, but we should stay the F out.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Obama went to war without congressional approval and without an eminent threat to the US. The hypocrisy of both parties is dizzying at times. War is good this time but not last time and whether it is good or bad the next time totally depends upon whether it is a democrat or republican in the white house.

    If we go to war, the first question I have is “did they attack us?” and the second question I have is “who’s going to pay for it?”

    If Bush had any brains he would have made sure the US had exclusive rights to a large portion of the oil reserves until the US was reimbursed for our expenditures. Same goes for Obama in Libya. Secure some oil rights, then kick the dictator out.

    France and the UK need to kiss our red white and blue butts if they think we should be fighting this war for them.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Afraid not.... we've added far more than we've killed. The number was small to begin with, and we helped it grow.

    Prove this utter BS you typed here?

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Obama went to war without congressional approval and without an eminent threat to the US. The hypocrisy of both parties is dizzying at times. War is good this time but not last time and whether it is good or bad the next time totally depends upon whether it is a democrat or republican in the white house.

    If we go to war, the first question I have is “did they attack us?” and the second question I have is “who’s going to pay for it?”

    If Bush had any brains he would have made sure the US had exclusive rights to a large portion of the oil reserves until the US was reimbursed for our expenditures. Same goes for Obama in Libya. Secure some oil rights, then kick the dictator out.

    France and the UK need to kiss our red white and blue butts if they think we should be fighting this war for them.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Not for the squeamish...

    The rebels are accused of war crimes.There are videos at the link and are of course NSFW.The rebels dont like the African mercenaries and usually assassinate them.

    Reason why Ghaddafi's forces will fight to the end. For them there is no way out except to win. Lose - they die

    ***NSFW***

    Pajamas Media » Mounting Evidence of Rebel Atrocities in Libya

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You've certainly seen this from me before, with documentation. As it is documented, and you have seen it, I'm not sure how you can challenge it.
    Let's see, did this documentation come from the Huffington Post and Media Matters?

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Hussein was willing to work with an aQ associated group to what exactly? Would you like to share this part?
    I know there're examples in there. But I thought you might enjoy telling them more than I would.
    It's been posted to you. You didn't care then and you care even less now.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you just misread it. He had an interest, but he wasn't actively doing anything. He had relationships before DS, and he wanted to maintain them in case he needed to do something later. But he was not actively doing much of anything.

    Read the document. It's full or could, could have, would have been able.

    Over 100,000 dead, millions displaced, and we're arrogant enough to think we did them a favor.
    You're inability to discuss topics honestly is amazing.

    Lefties always ignore the Iraqi's who are very happy Saddam and his sons are gone.

    It's unbelieveably dishonest to blame the US for Iraqi's killed by jihadis who flooded into Iraq before and after OIF.

    But then you have nothing else. A free and peaceful Iraq has caused many a lefty to lose their mind on this issue.

    I swear you sound very familiar.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    It's been posted to you. You didn't care then and you care even less now.
    It's not for me—I have read the thing. It's for the folks playing along at home.

    And ftr, I am not so sure that you ever did post the things that Hussein was willing to work with an aQ associated group to do. I am also pretty sure that you didn't post the evidence that his regime was hesitant to get involved in anything that would rile up "the West" either. But w/e.


    Iraq and Libya really aren't very good analogues at all. The discussion of one does not provide many opportunities for meaningful and signifcant comparisons to the other. Obviously, ymmv.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    It's not for me—I have read the thing. It's for the folks playing along at home.
    If you have read it (highly doubtful) then you know what you are saying isn't true.

    You are either functionally illiterate or outright dishonest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I am not so sure that you ever did post the things that Hussein was willing to work with an aQ associated group to do.
    That's an outright lie. I'm calling you on it.

    See post 384 and 385 of this very thread.
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