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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    BTW Ron, from the IPP:

    But the relationships between Iraq and the groups advocating radical pan-Islamic doctrines are much more complex. This study found no "smoking gun" (i.e., direct connection) between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda. Saddam's interest in, and support for, non-state actors was spread across a variety of revolutionary, liberation, nationalist, and Islamic terrorist organizations.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Any president that creates war, is a wartime president, etc historically will get voted for a second term. Obama already has Afghanistan, so I don't think he seriously wants us to go into Libya. The way things are going and thanks to the uprisings and the shifting going on in other middle eastern countries, I think if we just left these people alone, they will do what is right.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it wouldn't. They know pissing in the wind when they see it.
    So they were fired upon. Glad we agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Which is meaningless to our discussion. They were not a major factor in terrorism outside Iraq and not a threat to us.
    Of course it's meaningless to you. That al Qaeda, and their followers, have been soundly defeated on the battlefield is always pointless to a lefty.

    The fact they are having trouble recruiting blows the "making more terrorist" theory away.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You are misreading. There were no working relationships, and this has been shown to you before.

    BTW Ron, from the IPP:

    This study found no "smoking gun" (i.e., direct connection) between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda
    You don't have to quote the IPP report Boo. I've read most of it at least once. You need to read the report instead of "cherry-picking" the parts you like.

    I have never stated that Saddam and al Qaeda executed X terrorist attack against Y.

    You have been posted the parts of the report that Saddam was absolutely willing to work with al Qaeda and you don't care.

    If you would actually read the report you will find out about Saddam's terrorist attacks and the terrorists he was working with and their intended targets.

    But of course someone would have to actually care about the truth on this issue in order to spend the time reading the IPP report. Most people like yourself can't be bothered. It's the very reason I don't believe you're an honest debater.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    BTW Ron, from the IPP:

    But the relationships between Iraq and the groups advocating radical pan-Islamic doctrines are much more complex. This study found no "smoking gun" (i.e., direct connection) between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda.

    Saddam's interest in, and support for, non-state actors was spread across a variety of revolutionary, liberation, nationalist, and Islamic terrorist organizations.
    The third sentence is always overlooked by lefties.

    You should find out what that support involved before talking about this subject.

    You've suddenly become and expert on a report you only just found out about. What a hoot!!
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Peacefull means a relative lack of violence. If we were killing each as part of an ongoing conflict, we would not use the word peaceful.

    As for free? Are they? Really? Define their freedom.
    They are free and peaceful.

    Their freedom is represented in a free press, free expression of religion, to come and go as they please, and being able to choose their own leaders to name a few.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    You have been posted the parts of the report that Saddam was absolutely willing to work with al Qaeda and you don't care.
    Hussein was willing to work with an aQ associated group to what exactly? Would you like to share this part?
    I know there're examples in there. But I thought you might enjoy telling them more than I would.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    The third sentence is always overlooked by lefties.

    You should find out what that support involved before talking about this subject.

    You've suddenly become and expert on a report you only just found out about. What a hoot!!
    No, you just misread it. He had an interest, but he wasn't actively doing anything. He had relationships before DS, and he wanted to maintain them in case he needed to do something later. But he was not actively doing much of anything.

    Read the document. It's full or could, could have, would have been able.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Any president that creates war, is a wartime president, etc historically will get voted for a second term. Obama already has Afghanistan, so I don't think he seriously wants us to go into Libya. The way things are going and thanks to the uprisings and the shifting going on in other middle eastern countries, I think if we just left these people alone, they will do what is right.
    I don't agree that they would do what's right, but I do think it's a big mistake getting ourselves involved in their civil war.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    They are free and peaceful.

    Their freedom is represented in a free press, free expression of religion, to come and go as they please, and being able to choose their own leaders to name a few.
    You can't call fighting that kills thousands peaceful. Sorry, that's a no brainer.

    Freedom:

    "I'm afraid just to step outside my flat, because they might shoot me," she says, even now. "I want an end to this nightmare. I'm exhausted."

    Khalil, the son of singer Souad Abdullah, was killed by kidnappers although she paid a ransom This level of sectarian violence is rare in Iraq today. Things are getting better, a point that American officials never tire of making.

    And in a sense, they are right. The question is, compared to what?

    BBC News - 'Normal life' in Iraq amid the violence

    Over 100,000 dead, millions displaced, and we're arrogant enough to think we did them a favor.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I don't agree that they would do what's right, but I do think it's a big mistake getting ourselves involved in their civil war.
    Ok then how about we don't disturb the hornet nest and we don't worry about them at all and let them do whatever the hell they want in their own land.
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