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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    1. Now that you're using the "The Prof's" infamous "party on" statement, you lose even more credibility.
    2. There is no credible evidence of an al-Qaeda/Hussein link. That myth was debunked along time ago.
    Anytime you wish to refute the IPP report with actual facts instead of nonsense please go right ahead.

    You can't and you know that. It's the reason for the preventive war BS. You got nothing else.

    Here I'll get you started.....

    The IPP report based on captured Iraqi documents is wrong and I, theplaydrive, know this because........
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Anytime you wish to refute the IPP report with actual facts instead of nonsense please go right ahead.

    You can't and you know that. It's the reason for the preventive war BS. You got nothing else.

    Here I'll get you started.....

    The IPP report based on captured Iraqi documents is wrong and I, theplaydrive, know this because........
    You've been provided with ample evidence. You just chose to ignore it.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You've been provided with ample evidence. You just chose to ignore it.
    Please point out the exact post where you refuted the excerpts I've posted of the IPP report. Otherwise this debate is over.

    This is what evidence looks like TPD. Actual reports from people who reviewed thousands of captured Iraqi documents proving Saddam had few problems supporting terrorist groups "working with Osama bin Laden."




    These are direct quotes from the Iraqi Perspectives Project report.


    Extract 24.
    [July 2001]
    We have learned of a group calling themselves The Army ofMuhammad... has
    threatened Kuwaiti authorities and plans to attack American and Western interests
    ...We need detailed information about this group, their activities, their objectives,
    and their most distinguished leaders. We need to know [to] whom
    they belong to and with whom they are connected. Give this subject your utmost attention.


    The agent reports (Extract 25) that The Army of Muhammad is
    working with Osama bin Laden.



    Extract 25.
    [9 July 200 1]

    Information available to us is that the group is under the wings of bin
    Laden. They receive their directions from Yemen. Their objectives are the same as bin Laden...


    A later note84 lists the group's objectives, among them:

    Jihad in the name of God.
    Striking the embassies and other Jewish and American interests anywhere
    in the world.

    Attacking the American and British military bases in the Arab land.
    Striking American embassies and interests unless the Americans pull
    out their forces from the Arab lands and discontinue their support for
    Israel.
    Disrupting oil exports [to] the Americans from Arab countries and
    threatening tankers carrying oil to them.

    A later memorandum from the same collection to the Director
    of the IIS reports that the Army of Muhammad is endeavoring to receive assistance
    [from Iraq] to implement its objectives, and that the local IIS station has
    been told to deal with them in accordance with priorities previously established.


    The IIS agent goes on to inform the Director that "this organization is an offshoot
    of bin Laden, but that their objectives are similar but with different names that can
    be a way of camouflaging the organization."
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Please point out the exact post where you refuted the excerpts I've posted of the IPP report. Otherwise this debate is over.
    This is what evidence looks like TPD. Actual reports from people who reviewed thousands of captured Iraqi documents proving Saddam had few problems supporting terrorist groups "working with Osama bin Laden."
    I personally have not provided you with evidence on the al-Qaeda/Saddam link. But I have watched others present it you over and over again and it clearly has not penetrated your mind. Here's an idea, start here and go from there: Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    BTW, this debate was over a long time ago. The only thing happening now is you making false claims and being resistant to information.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Never mind that Saddam was working with a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda whose mission was to kill Americans anywhere in the world.
    And what work did they do together?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I personally have not provided you with evidence on the al-Qaeda/Saddam link. But I have watched others present it you over and over again and it clearly has not penetrated your mind. Here's an idea, start here and go from there: Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    BTW, this debate was over a long time ago. The only thing happening now is you making false claims and being resistant to information.
    I didn't see the IPP report even mentioned anywhere in that wiki link.

    So you have nothing but a wiki link? If so you're done like the rest.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    I didn't see the IPP report even mentioned anywhere in that wiki link.

    So you have nothing but a wiki link? If so you're done like the rest.
    Oh I'm definitely done like the rest.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Please point out the exact post where you refuted the excerpts I've posted of the IPP report.
    The problem with this request is that the two sets of claims are parallel, not contradictory.
    There's nothing in the section you quote that shows that aQ and Hussein had an operational or collaborative relationship. So, while the Post-war Kerr Report says that there was no evidence found of an operational or collaborative relationship, what you have posted does not contradict it by showing an operational nor collaborative relationship between aQ and Hussein.

    As far
    Saddam supported groups that either associated directly with al Qaeda (such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, led at one time by bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri) or that generally shared al Qaeda's stated goals and objectives. 97
    Saddam was a pragmatist when it came to personal and state relationships. He and many members of his regime understood that whatever the benefits of a relationship, there was always a potential for internal and external costs for associating too closely with some of these groups. Saddam's reaction to this concern often swung like a pendulum, from arresting members of Wahabi sects to "extending lines of relations" to a new radical Kurdish Islamic group. 98
    In one case, Iraq's ambassador in Switzerland, who was also Saddam's half-brother Barzan al-Tikriti, recommended that the Director of the IIS meet directly with an Egyptian who had strong connections to "Islamic parties and anti-Western Islamic organizations," and who was offering his assistance in brokering an alliance. But the director of the IIS department responsible for Arab issues did not concur with the ambassador's recommendation and cautioned in an internal memorandum that a meeting at such a level would "not serve the current Iraqi situation... and will make us lose our main target." He went on to note that working with the religious parties was dangerous at this time because they were "associated with the religious terror, which Hezbollah and Iran are practicing ...and it is provoking the West.99
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    We are helping them to the point that it's bankrupting the country and for some it's still not enough.

    Party on!
    a lot of things are bankrupting this country the military operations all over the world is one of them.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Allies Vow to Push Libya Campaign Until Gadhafi Goes | Asia | English

    The leaders of Britain, France and the United States say the NATO coalition will continue its military campaign in Libya until Moammar Gadhafi leaves power, while rebels said loyalist attacks killed 23 people in the besieged city of Misrata.

    British Prime Minister David Cameron, French President Nicolas Sarkozy and U.S. President Barack Obama said Friday that leaving Mr. Gadhafi in power would be an "unconscionable betrayal" of the Libyan people.

    In a joint article published in several international newspapers, The Times of London, France's Le Figaro and The Washington Post, the leaders wrote it is "unthinkable that someone who has tried to massacre his own people can play a part in their future government."
    I thought the title of this thread was 'White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission'.

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