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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I quoted it as well and others besides.
    You say that the words in the reports mean things that they don't.
    Kind of like when you had trouble discerning how saying that there were programs to develop certain missiles was not contradicting the assertion that those missiles didn't actually exist.
    Exactly. And this happens far too often.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    So you have changed your mind about the War Powers Resolution requiring an imminent threat now that you know the WPR applies to Iraq?
    Also, I don't think that we declared war in re Desert Storm. Further, iirc, regime change was not mentioned in the UNSC resolutions in Iraq pre-OIF.
    Desert Storm was approved by the US Government and those regulations remained in force. Nonetheless they received further approval from Congress anyway. President Clinton had bombed Iraq also during his administration without and 'imminent threat' claims.

    There was no 'imminent threat' in WWI either but the US Government approved the war anyway, just as they did with Iraq.

    The use of 'imminent threat' is when the President chooses to act on his own.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There was no 'imminent threat' in WWI either but the US Government approved the war anyway, just as they did with Iraq.
    False. The Zimmerman Telegram and unrestricted submarine warfare were huge reasons for our entry into WWI. Both were direct and credible threats to the United States and its citizens.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    False. The Zimmerman Telegram and unrestricted submarine warfare were huge reasons for our entry into WWI. Both were direct and credible threats to the United States and its citizens.
    There was no sign that the Germans would be attacking the mainland USA. In fact the same thing might be said about WWII. How 'imminent' is imminent?

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There was no sign that the Germans would be attacking the mainland USA. In fact the same thing might be said about WWII. How 'imminent' is imminent?
    Let's see. Let's say that Germans finally won the Mexicans over and provided troops - we wanted to prevent that. Let's say Americans dying on British ships attacked by Germany actually mattered - we wanted to stop them from happening. Germany wanted us in the war - they were an imminent threat.

    Your claim about WWII doesn't even make any sense.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Desert Storm was approved by the US Government and those regulations remained in force.
    And the point being that even if OIF was a part of Desert Storm as you claim, Desert Storm was never authorized to engage in regime change. So, even if one allows that what you are saying were factually true, it still wouldn't wash because the authorization for Deseret Storm (from congress and the UNSC) didn't allow for the regime change we did in OIF.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Nonetheless they received further approval from Congress anyway.
    As I pointed out, Congress authorized it under the War Powers Resolution
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    President Clinton had bombed Iraq also during his administration without and 'imminent threat' claims.
    Whoah! Whoah! Whoah! Hold on there. Clinton did it. That changes everything. You havemade an excellent and irrefutable point. Every thing that Clinton did is by definition beyond reproach.[/sarcasm]
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The use of 'imminent threat' is when the President chooses to act on his own.
    And then some. It is not exclusively limited to w/e you think "when the President chooses to act on his own" means.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There was no sign that the Germans would be attacking the mainland USA.
    And the point being what?
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How 'imminent' is imminent?
    This is actually a great question.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    The Iraqi people and those of other countries. The Iraqi people have demonstrated in the past they can live in peace with their neighbors. They are worth the effort and sacrifice.

    The liberation of the Iraqi people wasn’t the primary stated mission in Iraq. It was to remove Saddam first so that Iraqi’s may join the free and peaceful nations once again.

    There are many crap holes in the world where the people simply are not worth the effort. Nothing will change.
    there are homeless starving people in THIS country we need to help first imo.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Just another note in re imminent threat.

    AFAICT, it only applies to STARTING a war.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Please explain what any of this has to do with whether or not the Iraq War was a preventive war?
    It wasn't. It's a figment of your imagination.

    You found something you think is illegal and then you say that's what the Iraq war was.

    Party on!
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