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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I haven't made any arguments that address these points. I have only said that the Iraq War, by definition, was a preventive war. No one has shown any evidence to refute this, not even George Bush tried to refute this statement. If you believe preventive war is justified, that's on you. I, however, do not. In my opinion, preemptive war is justified. Preventive war is not.
    Hmmm.....you mean Saddam was "innocent until proven guilty"????

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Hmmm.....you mean Saddam was "innocent until proven guilty"????
    That doesn't seem to be at all what tpd said. YMMV.

    It seems more like tpd is saying that Iraq was a preventive war instead of a pre-emptive one. Pre-emption rests on the condition that war is started response to an imminent threat. Saying that Iraq was not an imminent threat is different than saying that Hussein was innocent until proven guilty.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your post to me was actually just as baiting, but I still read through it and addressed the points. Hey, if you have no interest in actually talking with someone that disagrees with your assertions, and you want only those that agree with you, and think you are some genius or something, fine. But that may not be here.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Hmmm.....you mean Saddam was "innocent until proven guilty"????
    No, that's not what I mean at all. I'm talking about preventive war vs. preemptive war. Neither assumes the object of aggression is innocent. In fact, both assume that the object of aggression, in this case Saddam, is guilty of something. In conclusion, what are you talking about?
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you have actual points instead of insult and hyperbole, I'd be happy to debate it with you.
    right back at ya buddy. Now could you see your way clear of picking out the questions I asked and address them? Or shall we continue this useless tripe?

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    I just wanted to drop a random thought: The US is considering giving weapons to an Islamic country that may be responsible for several terrorist attacks Google Exhibit 1 has a mild stench to ties with Al’Qaeda Google Exhibit 2 and the whole shebang has precedence Google Exhibit 3for bad things to occur a decade or two down the road. Where does this make sense?

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    This from the abstract of the IPP report, "these documents do not reveal direct coordination and assistance between the Saddam regime and the al Qaeda network" is somehow different than this, "no operational or collaborative relationship existed?"
    Pardon me but read the entire report instead of "cherry picking" it.

    The conclusions are irrefuteable.

    And yet you still keep trying to wish it away. It's not working.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    The conclusions are irrefuteable.
    They may be, but they are not what you're trying to say they are.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    And yet you still keep trying to wish it away. It's not working.
    You're batting a solid zero on your guesses about me and what I think.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    They may be, but they are not what you're trying to say they are.

    You're batting a solid zero on your guesses about me and what I think.
    I'm quoting the report. If you can refute it go right ahead. So far I'm batting a thousand.

    You haven't bothered to come to the ball field yet.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    I'm quoting the report.
    I quoted it as well and others besides.
    You say that the words in the reports mean things that they don't.
    Kind of like when you had trouble discerning how saying that there were programs to develop certain missiles was not contradicting the assertion that those missiles didn't actually exist.
    I may be wrong.

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