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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Did you know that the Iraq War resolution says it's the war powers act that authorizes it?
    So whatever restrictions you think the WP Resolutions impose, these restrictions are imposed on OIF.

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-10...107publ243.htm
    AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE AGAINST IRAQ RESOLUTION OF 2002
    SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
    (c) War Powers Resolution Requirements.--
    (1) Specific statutory authorization.--Consistent with
    section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution
    , the Congress
    declares that this section is intended to constitute specific
    statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of
    the War Powers Resolution.
    (2) Applicability of other requirements.--Nothing in this
    joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers
    Resolution.
    SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS.
    (b) Single Consolidated Report.--To the extent that the submission
    of any report described in subsection (a) coincides with the submission
    of any other report on matters relevant to this joint resolution
    otherwise required to be submitted to Congress pursuant to the reporting
    requirements of the War Powers Resolution (Public Law 93-148)
    , all such
    reports may be submitted as a single consolidated report to the
    Congress.

    Wait a minute Simon, are you actually trying to say that the Bush administration acted outside the Act? That they didn't inform congress at every step? Because if so that is total BS.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    But he wasn't willing to work with them to attack the US.
    The al Qaeda group Saddam was willing to work with had a stated goal of attacking Americans anywhere in the world and our embassies.

    I believe "the world" includes the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    no operational or collaborative relationship existed
    The IPP report blows that opinion out of the water.

    Your desperate attempt at "cherry picking" isn't working.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait a minute Simon, are you actually trying to say that the Bush administration acted outside the Act? That they didn't inform congress at every step? Because if so that is total BS.
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    Not trying to say anything even remotely at all like that.

    Grant posted some misinformation. Rather than correct the misinformation, I merely pointed out that even if what Grant said were true, then it did indeed apply to the 2002 authorization to use force.

    I included what Grant wrote to try and demonstrate that my post was in response to his post. Here is his post again:
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "Imminent threat" only comes into play if a President wants to start a war on an adversary and he has 60 days thereafter to take it to Congress with another possible 30 day extension.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What? Wait a minute....read it again pal, I didn't insult you personally. I took aim at your vapid stance of get out of our partners what we can, but when it comes to working with them so that the ME doesn't unravel, then screw them.



    bite me.



    Again, given the choice I am sure you would agree with me that being self sufficient in terms of our energy would make us all happy, but that isn't reality is it? And since you brought up Israel, what are we supposed to do there? watch Holocaust II?



    Gheeze, grow up man, you are not that smart as you think you are.



    It has? Then it should be NO problem for you to pull it up and post it so we can all see it? Or is this supposed to be one of those snipe hunts that takes a debate opponent out of the game when you are losing the argument?



    No, I would like to improve the parties from within, something you LaRouche voters don't understand.



    Oh brother....If you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.




    I think I just figured it out, you are for a borderless world aren't you?



    What was that you said about intellect? You're on display here pal.



    Really, care to share what is so promising out there?



    THEN WHY AREN'T WE???? Explain that.



    Like what? Wind? I tried that, couldn't even move my semi....NEXT!

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    The al Qaeda group Saddam was willing to work with had a stated goal of attacking Americans anywhere in the world and our embassies.
    I am just reporting what the US Intel services found after "conducting exhaustive and repetitive searches."
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I am just reporting what the US Intel services found after "conducting exhaustive and repetitive searches."
    Unless that link can disprove what the IPP found it's either irrelevant or outdated.

    The IPP report is quite clear.

    Saddam was willing to use al Qaeda terrorists who wanted to kill Americans. Speaks for itself.

    Nevermind the other terrorist organizations Saddam helped that were killing innocent people.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You have a lot of words here, but there's really no information. Petty insults and deflection.
    Read it again, I asked alot of questions based on your statements and now not unsurprisingly you gloss over that and disengage, beautiful.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Unless that link can disprove what the IPP found it's either irrelevant or outdated.
    The IPP report is quite clear.
    Saddam was willing to use al Qaeda terrorists who wanted to kill Americans. Speaks for itself.
    Nevermind the other terrorist organizations Saddam helped that were killing innocent people.
    This from the abstract of the IPP report, "these documents do not reveal direct coordination and assistance between the Saddam regime and the al Qaeda network" is somehow different than this, "no operational or collaborative relationship existed?"
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Read it again, I asked alot of questions based on your statements and now not unsurprisingly you gloss over that and disengage, beautiful.

    j-mac
    I saw a lot of insult and hyperbole, but little to no actual questions. Or are you saying "grow up" and "bite me" are questions?
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I saw a lot of insult and hyperbole, but little to no actual questions. Or are you saying "grow up" and "bite me" are questions?
    Your post to me was actually just as baiting, but I still read through it and addressed the points. Hey, if you have no interest in actually talking with someone that disagrees with your assertions, and you want only those that agree with you, and think you are some genius or something, fine. But that may not be here.

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