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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Yes, of course. All about oil.

    When do we start getting that free Iraqi oil?
    It is the Corporate Distribution Networks that get the OIL and they are getting theirs. Corporatism! Trickle Down is what you get. Little round brown balls. Got yours?

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Swear to God. If we put our troops in there, I'll be in the streets protesting. Unbelievable.
    It's coming. They are already there (humanitarian ya know) and it will take one order to put then in the streets.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Iraq is coming back to mind ....

    Is US next going to pull out the classic WMD's story?
    They'll probably switch it up and say there is Islamists there.
    Somebody is killing Muslims in Iraq and it has tended to be other Muslims.

    Call them Terrorists, Jihadists or Islamists, it really doesn't matter all that much. But they do like to kill, and who their victims are matters not a bit.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Iraq is coming back to mind ....

    Is US next going to pull out the classic WMD's story?
    They'll probably switch it up and say there is Islamists there.
    Wait... we're not involved in Libya for oil???

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Because lefties really believe Saddam was being a good boy and was "contained".

    The ISG report proves Saddam had not given up his desire to develop WMD and missiles.

    The IPP report proves Saddam used terror as state policy and had ties to international terrorist groups including al Qaeda.

    There are people who simply cannot admit they were wrong about Iraq and Bush was right.
    He was also in bed with many members of the corrupt UN. He was one of the worst tyrants of his day and the Iraqi people were grateful he was gone. But yes, the left wing revisionists, with help from the Islamists, will paint the Americans as the villains, and lies and ignorance will never be a deterrent to them.
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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    He was also in bed with many members of the corrupt UN. He was one of the worst tyrants of his day and the Iraqi people were grateful he was gone. But yes, the left wing revisionists, with help from the Islamists, will paint the Americans as the villains, and lies and ignorance will never be a deterrent to them.

    Sadly you are correct here. I do however love watching them spin Libya though. Telling themselves that it is somehow noble and stuff because 'the One' is now doing it....hahaha. Hell, Obama is so damned weak that he has to rely on Bush's playbook to take his own actions....

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "Imminent threat" only comes into play if a President wants to start a war on an adversary and he has 60 days thereafter to take it to Congress with another possible 30 day extension.
    It's also related tom something called Just War Theory. It's been kind of famous for centuries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with "imminent threat" as the President of the day already had approval and, technically, the US was still at war with Iraq from the previous Gulf War. Peace had never been declared and Saddam had to follow some strict provisions, which we should know he ignored. This 'imminent threat" thing is a red herring and there is no real reason why it was ever introduced to this thread.
    So, you concede that Iraq was "drawing a line short of" attacking the US and that Iraq was not likely to initiate an attack on the US directly or via proxy?


    In your view of things, which of the following was/were superfluous?
    • Formulation of the Bush Doctrine
    • Congressional approval to use force
    • Seeking a UN resolution authorizing the use force
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    1. That is ridiculous that you believe we actually think Bush was right - I do NOT support preventive war under any conditions.
    Like I've said many times. There are those who wish to stick their heads in the sand hoping it will all go away.

    I have no doubt lefties do not think, feel or believe Bush was right despite the overwhelming evidence that he was.

    I fully expect lefties to go to their graves still believing the "Bush Lied" hoax.

    Even 7 years after the guy who started the hoax admitted he made it all up they still refuse to admit what they know is true.


    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    2. The Iraq was preventive as opposed to preemptive - it was therefore illegal under international law and therefore reasonably opposed by many people.
    Illegal war?!? …….. Yet another hoax by those driven 100% by politics instead of facts.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sadly you are correct here. I do however love watching them spin Libya though. Telling themselves that it is somehow noble and stuff because 'the One' is now doing it....hahaha. Hell, Obama is so damned weak that he has to rely on Bush's playbook to take his own actions....

    j-mac
    With the exception that Bush received approval from Congress while BHO attacked Libya on the "imminent threat" waiver.

    What's he up to now? Can anyone follow his plan?

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    It's also related tom something called Just War Theory. It's been kind of famous for centuries.
    With the onset of the "war on terror," a growing number of political scientists, theologians and philosophers now contend that classic just-war theory fails to account for the challenges of 21st-century warfare – challenges that include terrorism, child soldiers, torture and violence by independent militia.

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    "The Bush administration didn't pay enough attention to securing the peace," he said. "So, we went in with enough troops to topple the regime, but not enough to prevent the total breakdown of order that followed."

    Our Sunday Visitor: Is Catholic Church’s just-war theory just? Critics challenge it as outdated - U.s. - Catholic Online
    Just war theory is a good bench mark for considering warfare, however today, the game is being changed by those looking to destroy an entire civilization, that changes the game.

    So, you concede that Iraq was "drawing a line short of" attacking the US and that Iraq was not likely to initiate an attack on the US directly or via proxy?
    Non Sequitur, the US had, and has enormous interests in the region. The Saudis were putting heavy pressure to take out Saddam.

    In your view of things, which of the following was/were superfluous?
    Formulation of the Bush Doctrine
    Congressional approval to use force
    Seeking a UN resolution authorizing the use force
    False premise, however I'd say the third one. The US is a sovereign nation, and has the ability to act unilaterally in protecting its interests.

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