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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by ikari View Post
    yeah i know. We spent all this money, ran an occupational war to "bring iraq freedom" and blah blah blah and didn't get **** to show for it. Great use of our military.
    exactly!!!!

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    The day we leave Iraq? Iraqi troops are doing virtually all of the secutity and fighting.

    I know people are still upset Iraq was a victory. Many of them were hoping for a Vietnam style defeat.
    we won? well then bring them home!

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How do you know Saddam was no theat to anyone? Did you have that knowledge prior to the invasion or was your opinion formed much later?




    You're overlooking US commitments to their Allies, the UN , agreements from the previous Gulf War, and so on.



    You really don't know that the US military was on his borders for several months prepared to invade and prior to the invasion Saddam was given the opportunity to leave in order to avoid that invasion?

    How do you know Saddam was no theat to anyone? Did you have that knowledge prior to the invasion or was it formed much later?
    our seventh fleet could sit outside our boarders and let nothing through. he was NO threat to us.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    For the time being producing more oil to be sold on the world market will decrease oil prices and thus the price of gasoline.

    I'm all in favor of developing alternative means of energy if they work.

    Besides nuclear, none of them show promise of replacing the coal and diesel burned to produce energy today.
    nuclear is GREAT when it's working but when it's not working it IS the polar opposite of great it's a catostraphic event.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Mmmmhmmmm, And all that said that Saddam could hit the US and intended to do so? Or did it say he'd maybe work sometimes with terrorist organizations to achieve his goals so long as he remained in charge? I think maybe something of that nature. Saddam didn't allow large scale operation of terrorist organizations in Iraq (it's not Saudi Arabia), he had some and he tried to irk people by offering money to families of suicide bombers; but he was absolute rule in Iraq, not Al-Queda.

    Again, nothing you have presented has deminstrated any amount of immediate threat to America itself. In the end, we probably shouldn't have worked for regeim change in Iraq in the first place which helped promote the Ba'athist party to power from which Saddam rose up. Again, our interventionist policies (like those being championed by some for Libya) ultimately started the problem. We need to stop. It's not our job, our government is not empowered with this ability, it's a waste of our money, and more importantly it isn't worth the cost of American blood. Other people must fight for their governments and choose which types of governments they want to create.
    yes but if we did that then the military machine could not make it's money.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    There is nothing wrong with oil companies buying oil from Libya if the money actually goes to address the needs of the Libyan people. Oil money in the ME has helped increase the standard of living for many people. It has also helped fuel (pun intended) jihadis and that point should not be overlooked. It's also making lots of despotic tyrants like Gaddafi very rich men.

    It would be better if the US aggressively produced our own oil to be sold to legitimate public or private companies on the open market. Refining oil into dozens of products is not evil and neither are the companies and people who profit from that industry.
    i'll believe it when i see it.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I didn't see anything there that said that Saddam had not only the ability to strike the 50 States proper but also the intent to do so. You got maybe that? Or is this just more deflection?
    Mmmmhmmmm, And all that said that Saddam could hit the US and intended to do so? Or did it say he'd maybe work sometimes with terrorist organizations to achieve his goals so long as he remained in charge?
    Yeah, it really did. If you had read the report you would know that Saddam intended to send suicide bombers to America to kill a former President.

    We know it was al Qaeda that attacked us on 9/11. It’s irrefutable that Saddam was willing “willing to use, albeit cautiously, operatives affiliated with al Qaeda”.

    No deflection needed. The IPP report speaks for itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Saddam didn't allow large scale operation of terrorist organizations in Iraq,
    he had some and he tried to irk people by offering money to families of suicide bombers; but he was absolute rule in Iraq, not Al-Queda.
    Well of course he didn’t allow large scale terrorist organizations within Iraq. He didn’t want them attacking him. Seriously, you should read that statement again.

    Saddam just trained, armed, fed and supplied thousands of jihadis within Iraq. But that’s just another big “so what” right. And never mind the small al Qaeda camp in NE Iraq that Saddam wasn’t supposedly able to get to. So that’s no big deal either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Again, nothing you have presented has deminstrated any amount of immediate threat to America itself.
    Just that Saddam was willing to work with “operatives affiliated with al Qaeda” whose stated goal was:

    • Striking the embassies and other Jewish and American interests anywhere
    in the world.

    • Attacking the American and British military bases in the Arab land.
    • Striking American embassies and interests unless the Americans pull
    out their forces from the Arab lands and discontinue their support for
    Israel.

    Mmmmhmmmm…….. indeed.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    tell me what else they have worth risking our young men and women's lives over?
    The Iraqi people and those of other countries. The Iraqi people have demonstrated in the past they can live in peace with their neighbors. They are worth the effort and sacrifice.

    The liberation of the Iraqi people wasn’t the primary stated mission in Iraq. It was to remove Saddam first so that Iraqi’s may join the free and peaceful nations once again.

    There are many crap holes in the world where the people simply are not worth the effort. Nothing will change.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    There are many crap holes in the world where the people simply are not worth the effort. Nothing will change.
    Who are these "crap holes", why are they not worth the effort and why are you qualified to make that decision?

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    Re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    our seventh fleet could sit outside our boarders and let nothing through. he was NO threat to us.
    And I can just imagine the chuckle the terrorist must have gotten as he flew out of Iraq on a commercial aircraft to kill President Bush leaving all those US ships behind.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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