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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How do you know Saddam was no theat to anyone? Did you have that knowledge prior to the invasion or was your opinion formed much later?
    The Iraq NIE said that Iraq was "drawing a line short of" attacking the US. NIE testimony before congresscritters was that the likelihood of Hussein initiating an attack directly OR BY PROXY in the foreseeable future was low.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Libya is a caculated move to help President Obama get another humanitarian award from the U.N. (Don't think about the fact we ARE the U.N.), free press coverage and distract Americans that our country is broken. This will allow the presidents little minions to spin how he ousted an evil DICKtator and hopefully sit cumfy in the white house for another four years. So, Americans voted for change in Libya??

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I notice that two different time frames being referenced here. The former references what was at the time, the present case and situation. The latter references some indefinite time in what was a potential future.
    Given this discrepancy, the latter doesn't actually seem to contradict the former.
    Potential future?

    You didn't read the stuff I posted in the WMD thread.

    Saddam was developing missiles that could hit almost anywhere in Europe. Including US bases.

    You have no excuse for not knowing this other than your own refusal to read.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    There is nothing wrong with oil companies buying oil from Libya if the money actually goes to address the needs of the Libyan people. Oil money in the ME has helped increase the standard of living for many people. It has also helped fuel (pun intended) jihadis and that point should not be overlooked. It's also making lots of despotic tyrants like Gaddafi very rich men.

    It would be better if the US aggressively produced our own oil to be sold to legitimate public or private companies on the open market. Refining oil into dozens of products is not evil and neither are the companies and people who profit from that industry.
    As T. Boone Pickens said, we are not going to be able to drill our way out of this. We are going to need the equivalent of a Manhattan Project to develop alternative energy sources.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    To say "no threat" is an exaggeration. It's more accurate to say that Iraq was unlikely to attack us directly or by proxy in the foreseeable future. That's how the NIE testimony from the US intel community went anyway.
    Yes, no threat would not be accurate. However, it would also be inaccurate to say they were a great threat, or an serious threat, or a growing threat, or imminent threat.

    And with the NIE testimoney taken into account, how could the threat be seen as something that required invasion?

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    As T. Boone Pickens said, we are not going to be able to drill our way out of this. We are going to need the equivalent of a Manhattan Project to develop alternative energy sources.
    For the time being producing more oil to be sold on the world market will decrease oil prices and thus the price of gasoline.

    I'm all in favor of developing alternative means of energy if they work.

    Besides nuclear, none of them show promise of replacing the coal and diesel burned to produce energy today.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Potential future?
    You didn't read the stuff I posted in the WMD thread.
    Saddam was developing missiles that could hit almost anywhere in Europe. Including US bases.
    You have no excuse for not knowing this other than your own refusal to read.
    Perhaps you're using the phrase "was developing" in a new and unusual sense. Usually, the phrase is thought to be somewhat different in meaning and tone that a word like "have," "had," or "has".

    Examine these two example sentences to get a gist of how I am used to seeing the word used.
    The missiles Saddam had could hit our allies and US bases in Europe and the ME.
    The missiles Saddam was developing could hit our allies and US bases in Europe and the ME.
    Now, the first sentence, "The missiles Saddam had could hit our allies and US bases in Europe and the ME," actually DOES contradict what Ikari wrote because it also talks about what actually existed at the time.

    The second sentence, "The missiles Saddam was developing could hit our allies and US bases in Europe and the ME," refers to developing missiles. Developing is different than having.

    I hope you can see now that what my post is describing is not a contention of fact as you seem to think. Rather it is a contention that developing something that you don't have different than having that something.
    I may be wrong.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Perhaps you're using the phrase "was developing" in a new and unusual sense. Usually, the phrase is thought to be somewhat different in meaning and tone that a word like "have," "had," or "has".

    Examine these two example sentences to get a gist of how I am used to seeing the word used.
    The missiles Saddam had could hit our allies and US bases in Europe and the ME.
    The missiles Saddam was developing could hit our allies and US bases in Europe and the ME.
    Now, the first sentence, "The missiles Saddam had could hit our allies and US bases in Europe and the ME," actually DOES contradict what Ikari wrote because it also talks about what actually existed at the time.

    The second sentence, "The missiles Saddam was developing could hit our allies and US bases in Europe and the ME," refers to developing missiles. Developing is different than having.

    I hope you can see now that what my post is describing is not a contention of fact as you seem to think. Rather it is a contention that developing something that you don't have different than having that something.
    By all means. Let's wait until the missiles start raining down before we do something.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    By all means. Let's wait until the missiles start raining down before we do something.
    That's a very, very large leap from me pointing out that one of your statements didn't contradict one of Ikari's statements.
    I may be wrong.

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