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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You'll have to explain to me how it is we went into Iraq for their oil and now we're profiting from it.

    Where are, we getting the cheap gas made from looted Iraqi oil?
    Yeah I know. We spent all this money, ran an occupational war to "bring Iraq freedom" and blah blah blah and didn't get **** to show for it. Great use of our military.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah I know. We spent all this money, ran an occupational war to "bring Iraq freedom" and blah blah blah and didn't get **** to show for it. Great use of our military.
    We have another free and peaceful nation to show for it.

    Not to mention Saddam on a rope, defeat of AQI and millions of free people.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah I know. We spent all this money, ran an occupational war to "bring Iraq freedom" and blah blah blah and didn't get **** to show for it. Great use of our military.
    I've said this many times that we should get out of the business of nation building.

    WHEN we have to get militarily involved in an Islamic nation in the ME, Africa or Asia, it should be a punitive action only. Kill the leadership, destroy the military and **** things up. Then get out and repeat the rules to whoever takes over. 1) Keep selling oil. You'll make money and we won't kill you so long as you also follow rule 2) Don't kill Americans. Period. Anywhere.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    We have another free and peaceful nation to show for it.

    Not to mention Saddam on a rope, defeat of AQI and millions of free people.
    Not my people, not my problem. If we pull out of Iraq in full, what will happen to that "free and peaceful nation"?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not my people, not my problem. If we pull out of Iraq in full, what will happen to that "free and peaceful nation"?
    The day we leave Iraq? Iraqi troops are doing virtually all of the secutity and fighting.

    I know people are still upset Iraq was a victory. Many of them were hoping for a Vietnam style defeat.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    The day we leave Iraq? Iraqi troops are doing virtually all of the secutity and fighting.

    I know people are still upset Iraq was a victory. Many of them were hoping for a Vietnam style defeat.
    OK, let's take all our troops out right now then since it's stable. No reason to be there.

    People aren't upset at an "Iraq victory", people are mostly upset that we bankrupted ourselves, went heavy into debt to China, over doubled our losses from 9/11, engaged in imperial war against nations which were no direct threat against us, etc. Victory in Iraq? No, the government was never given power for these sorts of actions, that's a loss right there. This was used as all sorts of excuses for the expansion of government, the creation of more government agencies, the implementation of suspect law, and the overall loss of liberty by the People; so that's a loss right there...a huge one. We spent ourselves into the poor house. That's a loss. Iraq isn't actually stable even after 10 years. And we use it as an excuse now to engage in more undeclared, imperial movements against governments which do not pose threats against us, thus continuing all the problems listed above and more. That's a loss.

    But if by "victory" you meant the weakening of our own Republic and betrayal of our own principles...then yes, it's a "victory".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    The day we leave Iraq? Iraqi troops are doing virtually all of the secutity and fighting.

    I know people are still upset Iraq was a victory. Many of them were hoping for a Vietnam style defeat.
    The Iraq war was a victory for who? Were the Iraq people out in the streets protesting their government? Take a look at the state of our economy and tell me that we won in Iraq, tell me we should have been spending our money on Iraq instead of on our own countries needs, tell me that deploying our military in Iraq was a better use then if we used them to secure our own borders.

    Iraq posed no threat to the USA so tell me again why we sent our young men and women there and why we spent so much of our money

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Iraq posed no threat to the USA so tell me again why we sent our young men and women there and why we spent so much of our money
    To say "no threat" is an exaggeration. It's more accurate to say that Iraq was unlikely to attack us directly or by proxy in the foreseeable future. That's how the NIE testimony from the US intel community went anyway.
    I may be wrong.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    To say "no threat" is an exaggeration. It's more accurate to say that Iraq was unlikely to attack us directly or by proxy in the foreseeable future. That's how the NIE testimony from the US intel community went anyway.
    Well they really didn't have a delivery system to actually hit us directly, and there was no proof of any proxy type attack. As such we had no reason at all to wage war against Iraq.

    And BTW, shouldn't we really be declaring these things? When we go to war, I would like it to take a Declaration of War. Seems reasonable.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well they really didn't have a delivery system to actually hit us directly, and there was no proof of any proxy type attack. As such we had no reason at all to wage war against Iraq.
    The missiles Saddam was developing could hit our allies and US bases in Europe and the ME.

    You really need to read the ISG report. The key findings is only 19 pages in pdf.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And BTW, shouldn't we really be declaring these things? When we go to war, I would like it to take a Declaration of War. Seems reasonable.
    Who or what would you declare war against?
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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