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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obama is doing this to get reelected. Gotta have fought a war to get the 2nd term. Remember, never a let a crisis go to waste.
    He was dragged into this kicking and screaming. I really hope that's not the case.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    First let me assure that that under the First Amendment my freedom of speech is still guaranteed, as long as I feel that racism is a factor in the way people form opinions I will not let it be swept under the rug. If nothing else I will exercise my first amendment rights.

    I will accept your word for it that you have formed an opinion as I have on available facts that have not been tainted by racial bigorty. It is and should be possible to support the young men and women we send into combat without supporting the reason that we went to war. To my knowledge which I have not confirmed as of yet the Libyans started out as protestors and then the situation turned violent.

    President Obama waited until he felt we had the support of the Nato, United Arab Emirates, Turkey and other countries before committing the USA to the NATO effort. I think he proceeded as he should have, I am sure you know that you do not have to take the lead to lead, it would have been easy to just target Gadhafi but why not let the Libyan people decide his fate.

    Being a combat veteran of Viet Nam I know from first hand experience what it is like to be in the service fighting and knowing that those that you believe that you are fighting for do not support you, but believed then and still believe that it is necessary for people to express their views about why and whether we should be involved in the politics of another country.

    Until every person until every human being is judged soley by their actions and inactions I will continue to tell it like I see it.

    I don't believe that you and I are that far a part in our thought processes nor in our love of our country
    Where do we get the right to intervene? Just because we ****ing can?

    We have serious economic problems of our own. An F-15E costs about 30 million and we aren't making any more. Tomahawks are over 1 million apiece. So just in ordnance expended, we're hosed of $150m just in cruise missiles and aircraft.

    Trying to guide or direct the outcome of a revolution has brought us nothing but turmoil....

    Why continue on that path?

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

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    He was dragged into this kicking and screaming. I really hope that's not the case.
    The Murderer in Chief knows exactly what he is doing, but like every other blood thirsty scumbag before him he will get his eventually.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The Murderer in Chief knows exactly what he is doing, but like every other blood thirsty scumbag before him he will get his eventually.
    Wish really hard, be a good boy, and keep putting that on your Christmas list. Who knows.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Wish really hard, be a good boy, and keep putting that on your Christmas list. Who knows.

    Don't forget to click your heels three times.
    Let me guess, your precious little story book never mentions the concept of what goes around, comes around? Ted Kennedy got his via a heart attack and Clinton nearly had one but of course it may not be against him directly it could affect someone he is close too which just inflicts more suffering.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Where do we get the right to intervene? Just because we ****ing can?

    We have serious economic problems of our own. An F-15E costs about 30 million and we aren't making any more. Tomahawks are over 1 million apiece. So just in ordnance expended, we're hosed of $150m just in cruise missiles and aircraft.

    Trying to guide or direct the outcome of a revolution has brought us nothing but turmoil....

    Why continue on that path?
    Since I support this operation in Libya I guess I should answer that as well.

    IMO we have a chance to help the Libyan people attain the right to self determination and we should take it.

    I have been reading with growing concern about the fractured "coalition" and who some of the rebels are.

    Even with all the obvious problems and costs of this operation I firmly believe that strong leadership from 0bama can galvanize the coalition and end this quickly.

    He should also be making it perfectly clear to the rebels we have no intention of supporting a jihadi government in Libya. They need to weed out the jihadis from their midst.

    The Libyan operation is sorely lacking leadership and focus and has many valid criticisms. It's time for 0bama to earn his medal.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Let me guess, your precious little story book never mentions the concept of what goes around, comes around? Ted Kennedy got his via a heart attack and Clinton nearly had one but of course it may not be against him directly it could affect someone he is close too which just inflicts more suffering.
    While your wishing ill on President(s) of the United States, I hope you're not leaving out the world’s actual tyrants and murderers.

    Remember it's three times.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Since I support this operation in Libya I guess I should answer that as well.

    IMO we have a chance to help the Libyan people attain the right to self determination and we should take it.

    I have been reading with growing concern about the fractured "coalition" and who some of the rebels are.

    Even with all the obvious problems and costs of this operation I firmly believe that strong leadership from 0bama can galvanize the coalition and end this quickly.

    He should also be making it perfectly clear to the rebels we have no intention of supporting a jihadi government in Libya. They need to weed out the jihadis from their midst.

    The Libyan operation is sorely lacking leadership and focus and has many valid criticisms. It's time for 0bama to earn his medal.
    The Coalition has no business helping out in Libya militarily until the situation stabilizes and the intentions of the opposition groups become crystal clear. The Coalition could very well be helping the next Iran come into being.

    Are you willing to gamble?

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Russia NATO envoy warns of full-scale war in Libya....Russia NATO envoy warns of full-scale war in Libya | Reuters

    NATO could be dragged into a full-scale war in Libya, like those being waged in Iraq and Afghanistan, Russia's ambassador to the military alliance was quoted as saying on Saturday.

    NATO has control of an arms embargo on Libya and agreed this week to assume command of a no-fly zone over its territory but Washington has been left in control of conducting air strikes against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's ground forces.
    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has expressed concern over the possibility of civilian deaths and told U.S. President Barack Obama in a telephone conversation earlier this week that such casualties had to be prevented.

    Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Russia's paramount leader, has taken a harder stance, comparing the U.N. resolution to "medieval calls for crusades."

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The Coalition has no business helping out in Libya militarily until the situation stabilizes and the intentions of the opposition groups become crystal clear. The Coalition could very well be helping the next Iran come into being.

    Are you willing to gamble?
    The situation was already over if the coalition did not intervene.

    The wait "until the situation stabilizes" approach had Gaddafi's forces at the gates of Benghazi with nothing to stop them.

    And yes, I believe it's in the interest of the free world to aid other nations joining the club.

    BTW, I believe you can make valid arguments for not getting involved but IMO the chance that Libya would someday be free and peaceful is worth the risk.
    Last edited by Ron Mars; 03-27-11 at 03:10 AM.
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