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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

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    Then shouldn't Obama fire Eric Holder and otherwise get the racists out of his administration so he can try to recapture that six percent his racist appointees have supposedly cost him?


    Just in case you missed it, the Race Card has been overplayed and is no longer accepted in play. Participants in debates are expected to produce real arguments now.
    Let's not forget that it was Barrack Obama who first made race an issue during the election campaign and it is the Left who have been doing it ever since.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Stop bringing up race and I could just about bet you that it will never GET brought up. You are the only one that saw fit to inject race into the discussion. Like I said earlier...you pulled it out of your ass when your other arguments were failing and thats just bad business there, son.

    My own position on our action is much less nuanced. Prior to Obamas decision to engage my personal opinion was that we should have announced loud and clear that we were not going to engage Libya militarily but that we fully supported the UN, Arab League, and others who deemed it necessary to do so. We would take whatever diplomatic and political stand we could to work to bring about a peaceful resolution. I didnt see us then clamoring to engage the Saudis, Bahrainians, or any of the other countries where government forces were violently clashing with protesters. In Libya...this isnt protesters being shot at, they aremd rebels not clamoring for political change but attempting the overthrow of a government. Thats called a civil war.

    HOWEVER...I have ALSO stated numerous times...the minute my Commander in Chief orders American servicemen into conflict, my position changes. I full on support the soldiers in their mission. At this point, until no American lives are in harms way, I stand unified with my President. End of discussion. United, the USA is a mighty force. Without the political squabbling and infighting (and yes...the political dissension by idiots that would fight against him just because he was a democrat), I believe any enemy with any remaining sense of reason wouldnt take us on. However we present a fractured front...one that our enemies see as weakness. All they have to do is exploit those political weaknesses and see the support of this country erode. And because of that, Servicemen die.
    First let me assure that that under the First Amendment my freedom of speech is still guaranteed, as long as I feel that racism is a factor in the way people form opinions I will not let it be swept under the rug. If nothing else I will exercise my first amendment rights.

    I will accept your word for it that you have formed an opinion as I have on available facts that have not been tainted by racial bigorty. It is and should be possible to support the young men and women we send into combat without supporting the reason that we went to war. To my knowledge which I have not confirmed as of yet the Libyans started out as protestors and then the situation turned violent.

    President Obama waited until he felt we had the support of the Nato, United Arab Emirates, Turkey and other countries before committing the USA to the NATO effort. I think he proceeded as he should have, I am sure you know that you do not have to take the lead to lead, it would have been easy to just target Gadhafi but why not let the Libyan people decide his fate.

    Being a combat veteran of Viet Nam I know from first hand experience what it is like to be in the service fighting and knowing that those that you believe that you are fighting for do not support you, but believed then and still believe that it is necessary for people to express their views about why and whether we should be involved in the politics of another country.

    Until every person until every human being is judged soley by their actions and inactions I will continue to tell it like I see it.

    I don't believe that you and I are that far a part in our thought processes nor in our love of our country

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I am sure that you know that his birth certificate has been examined and has been verified to be real if not I will supply you with the information

    FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

    Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

    Denying that his birth certificate is real is no different then denying that racism influences the way people look at the decisions he makes, Your assurances that he is a utter failure are based on what your assurances that the governor of Hawai can't find one.

    Why would I give any credibility to any one with out taking advantage of the internet's search capability, ignorance of the facts no longer supports bias arrogance, denying the facts never changed them. I think the stink being slung around by politicians on both sides just supports my claims that racism plays into their thought processes just like it plays into the minds of the 74% of registered republicans who don't believe that President Obama was born in America or the 30 plus percent of democrats that are still racist.

    Our great country if left to the republicans would already be economically bankrupt , your assurances that President Obama is trying to bankrupt us is not backed by any reliable sources or the present economical state of America, whether we can be saved or not depends on your definition of saved.

    Wake up we don't need to be buddies we just need to be honest, your entitled to your opinion and so am I the difference is I try to base mine on facts not hear say and chain-mails started by desperate irrational individuals who play on those who won't take the time to sort out the truth from fiction

    That link is from 2008 but it makes no difference to me im not a birther...but what I am is a person like most other americans who knows obama has failed miserably and he would still be a failure if he was white green or blue...you behind the times earl...most liberals have given up obama. If you wanted to be an honest person you would admit what you know...he sucks, hes a failure and he should have never been elected...Hillary had it all over him

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    First let me assure that that under the First Amendment my freedom of speech is still guaranteed, as long as I feel that racism is a factor in the way people form opinions I will not let it be swept under the rug. If nothing else I will exercise my first amendment rights.

    I will accept your word for it that you have formed an opinion as I have on available facts that have not been tainted by racial bigorty. It is and should be possible to support the young men and women we send into combat without supporting the reason that we went to war. To my knowledge which I have not confirmed as of yet the Libyans started out as protestors and then the situation turned violent.

    President Obama waited until he felt we had the support of the Nato, United Arab Emirates, Turkey and other countries before committing the USA to the NATO effort. I think he proceeded as he should have, I am sure you know that you do not have to take the lead to lead, it would have been easy to just target Gadhafi but why not let the Libyan people decide his fate.

    Being a combat veteran of Viet Nam I know from first hand experience what it is like to be in the service fighting and knowing that those that you believe that you are fighting for do not support you, but believed then and still believe that it is necessary for people to express their views about why and whether we should be involved in the politics of another country.

    Until every person until every human being is judged soley by their actions and inactions I will continue to tell it like I see it.

    I don't believe that you and I are that far a part in our thought processes nor in our love of our country
    Geez-us...drama queen much? No one is attempting to deny you your rights to free speech...just pointing out how stupid you look when you in particular exercise it. But keep on keepin on man...

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Geez-us...drama queen much? No one is attempting to deny you your rights to free speech...just pointing out how stupid you look when you in particular exercise it. But keep on keepin on man...
    Is the statement below yours, if so are you telling me what I can and can not say? If so do you have a right to deny me of my right to exercise my First Amendment rights?

    Stop bringing up race and I could just about bet you that it will never GET brought up. You are the only one that saw fit to inject race into the discussion. Like I said earlier...you pulled it out of your ass when your other arguments were failing and thats just bad business there, son.

    I have provided sources that substantiate my position apparently you can not dispute the information I have provided so instead you take to engaging in character assassination.

    Racism does exist and there for whether you want it to be brought up or not it needs to be to explain why so many are opposed to President Obama

    I watched this year how the tea bagger’s disrupted town hall meetings not allowing speakers to speak or people who had questions to ask and get honest answers; you won’t silence me here or any where else.

    Hey maybe people will start looking and judging President Obama as the President of The United States during his second term, it takes time to adjust to a new face and leadership style

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Is the statement below yours, if so are you telling me what I can and can not say? If so do you have a right to deny me of my right to exercise my First Amendment rights?

    Stop bringing up race and I could just about bet you that it will never GET brought up. You are the only one that saw fit to inject race into the discussion. Like I said earlier...you pulled it out of your ass when your other arguments were failing and thats just bad business there, son.

    I have provided sources that substantiate my position apparently you can not dispute the information I have provided so instead you take to engaging in character assassination.

    Racism does exist and there for whether you want it to be brought up or not it needs to be to explain why so many are opposed to President Obama

    I watched this year how the tea bagger’s disrupted town hall meetings not allowing speakers to speak or people who had questions to ask and get honest answers; you won’t silence me here or any where else.

    Hey maybe people will start looking and judging President Obama as the President of The United States during his second term, it takes time to adjust to a new face and leadership style
    Put it another way...since you feel your rights to free speech have been infringed...IF YOU STOPPED BRINGING UP RACE...I could just about bet you that it will never GET brought up. You are the only race monger in this thread. Kinda comical. More sad and pathetic...but still...kinda funny.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I think you may be letting your conservative values cloud your judgement, try this go back and make believe that a Conservative President was in office if you can and then form a decision based on what you think would best serve America and the world.

    Don't get to upset remember that I said "I think" that is nothing more then my opinion I did not research it so the only source I have is what I read

    Gee, I never thought of that. If I did that then it’s likely I would be supporting the President in Libya today but having lots of problems with the ways it's being handled.

    If a Conservative was President today you ask? Why that's simple:

    I would be supporting the President but have lots of problems with the way Libya is being handled.

    US streets would be filled with protesters against the Libyan operation.

    Libya would be considered a "quagmire" already.

    The President would be accused of a rush to judgment.

    Democrats on the hill would be screaming that they were not properly consulted (and they would be right).

    ………….. well, you get the idea.
    Last edited by Ron Mars; 03-27-11 at 12:07 AM.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I think you may be missing the point, President Obama should continue on doing what his schedule dictates,
    I think jumping into the revolution in Libya merits a schedule change. Especially when a vacation is on the schedule.

    Put on that "objective cap" and ask yourself what would I be typing if President McCain jumped into Libya then went on vacation.

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    The United States is not alone on this one the decisions are being made by NATO
    The decisions in Libya are being made by NATO? They are? It's my understanding the military actions are the result of a UNSC resolution.

    Libya is not a member of NATO. Why is NATO even involved?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I would specualte "my opinion again" if he had cancelled his planned trip to talk to other nations about possible trade agreements there would be a bunch that would jump up and claim that our unemployment situation was less important then Libya.
    I seriously doubt it. But if that thought brings comfort to you..........

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    You state one thing "your support" and then use one of those clubs you reference above to drive home your real point, so not to be real repetitive I will state it again, if President Obama changed color and walked on water some would still hate him.
    My support for President 0bama on Libya has and will remain solid.

    I have lots of problems with it. The coalition is fracturing due to lack of leadership and a common focus.

    I had lots of problems with Afghanistan, Iraq and virtually every US military operation I’ve read about.

    And BTW, you can stuff your racism BS.
    Last edited by Ron Mars; 03-27-11 at 12:33 AM.
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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Actually denying that race is an issue is always the way that racist deal with what is the reality until they get behind closed doors. I hear it all the time from friends as well as family

    You can label me any way you want, your opinion has no effect on me. I will tell it like I see and hear it denying it will not make it go away. Your personal attacks on me will not make me go away.
    Bringing race into a discussion that has nothing to do with racial matters is what people do when they have run out of intelligent ideas.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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