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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Really? Is she a racist beeyatch or will you just call her that if she disagrees with you about what to order for dinner?

    Heres the funny part...you think I am not full on supportive of this nations CiC. You must have figured that out when you were commenting on GWB and WMDs in this thread. You know...before you accused me of derailing the thread by responding to you...
    It will be interesting tomorrow to see which tact the Obama oppostion party takes. I bet the book makers are having a field day with this one. Will they be against our support or for it, was it started to late or to early, was it a combination of to early but to late at the same time. Should they have interviewed the rebels before or after they were dead. Should we be leading or supporting, should we be removing Kadafy. Should we tell the world including Kadafy exactly what we have in mind? Do we have to physically remove Kadafy in order to remove him?

    How Racist is America and How Is This Used and Perpetuated? - democracycellproject

    The poll sampled 2777 white Americans and was done by AP-Yahoo News, conducted with Stanford University. One third of white Democrats harbored negative views toward blacks and 40% had at least a partially negtive view (harbored at least one presented negative). This could mean 2-1/2 percentage points who might not vote for Obama, according to the analysis, enough to swing a close race away from him. They also used a model to predict that Obama's support would be at least 6% higher if not for the racism.


    If 1/3rd of white democrats harbored negative views toward blacks and 40% had at least a partially negtive view I wonder what the same poll would disclose about the republicans and other fringe elements

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    It will be interesting tomorrow to see which tact the Obama oppostion party takes. I bet the book makers are having a field day with this one. Will they be against our support or for it, was it started to late or to early, was it a combination of to early but to late at the same time. Should they have interviewed the rebels before or after they were dead. Should we be leading or supporting, should we be removing Kadafy. Should we tell the world including Kadafy exactly what we have in mind? Do we have to physically remove Kadafy in order to remove him?

    How Racist is America and How Is This Used and Perpetuated? - democracycellproject

    The poll sampled 2777 white Americans and was done by AP-Yahoo News, conducted with Stanford University. One third of white Democrats harbored negative views toward blacks and 40% had at least a partially negtive view (harbored at least one presented negative). This could mean 2-1/2 percentage points who might not vote for Obama, according to the analysis, enough to swing a close race away from him. They also used a model to predict that Obama's support would be at least 6% higher if not for the racism.


    If 1/3rd of white democrats harbored negative views toward blacks and 40% had at least a partially negtive view I wonder what the same poll would disclose about the republicans and other fringe elements
    So...ummm...why didnt you mention the members of his own party that believe his action was an impeachable offense? That blind mindless ideology got you so spun up all you see is evil republicans that oppose him or his actions? Last polls I saw showed more republicans supported the presidents actions than did democrats. Granted that was...what...Thursday afternoon...so that may have changed.

    So are YOU a racist? I mean since you keep bringin it up. I mean since you and you ALONE keep bringing it up. Damned racist democrats. You'd think they would have grown...learned...moved forward. But no...

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What's the definition of insanity again? Trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results? We all may very well be insane.
    The unstated goal is the Perpetual War to destroy the nation's wealth and youth, as predicted by George Orwell. No one that hates the United States as much as Obama does could ever do get us into a war to defend our interests, he's doing it to promote his own agenda.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    They also used a model to predict that Obama's support would be at least 6% higher if not for the racism.
    Then shouldn't Obama fire Eric Holder and otherwise get the racists out of his administration so he can try to recapture that six percent his racist appointees have supposedly cost him?


    Just in case you missed it, the Race Card has been overplayed and is no longer accepted in play. Participants in debates are expected to produce real arguments now.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Good lord...how pathetic. The race card now huh? Nice. Just run up your white flag and surrender already. Oh...wait...white flag...dang it...racist...this whole racism thing is a just a black hole...

    Couldnt be that those that disagree with him have philosophical differences on the direction he wants to take the government...right? Couldnt be that people watched inactivity for three weeks and then weak activity once he decided to engage and saw that as ineffective leadership. Nah...I guess people that dislike President Obama HAVE to be as racist as the blacks that dont like Bush...right? Or the democrats that dont like black republicans. Buncha racist democrats...sheesh...talk about going back to the 1950s...
    Okay, how about this... WE also hate his WHITE side that is making equally poor decisions as his BLACK side. He's biracial. And there's no getting around that!!

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So...ummm...why didnt you mention the members of his own party that believe his action was an impeachable offense? That blind mindless ideology got you so spun up all you see is evil republicans that oppose him or his actions? Last polls I saw showed more republicans supported the presidents actions than did democrats. Granted that was...what...Thursday afternoon...so that may have changed.

    So are YOU a racist? I mean since you keep bringin it up. I mean since you and you ALONE keep bringing it up. Damned racist democrats. You'd think they would have grown...learned...moved forward. But no...
    Why didn't I mention members of his own party, did President Obama change parties?Is President Obama still a democrat? I really don't care which party disagrees with his foreign policy in Libya nor do I care how many here disagree with his actions in Libya.

    I have a multi racial family, served in combat with the US infantry in Viet Nam where six out of the nine in my squad where minorities, so your right I am a racist.

    Those who disagree with the decision to get involved seem to change their mind every time the wind changes direction I do not see any uniformity or consistency in those who believe that the effort in Libya is wrong, I struggled to make a decision based on my limited knowledge of why we are involved, the Presidents party had nothing to do with my conclusion, I don't believe that America gets involved in any conflict, police action or war that does not in some way benefit American interests. With the UN backing the effort in Libya and America not spear heading the decision the only real American interest I can see is an interest to prevent the imminent slaughter of other human beings.

    The President has stated that our policy the American policy would be the removal of Kadafy he has also stated that our mission in Libya is to prevent the slaughter of the oppositon party I do not see a conflict between American policy and this mission, it is possible to stop the slaughter without removing Kadafy, It is possible to remove Kadafi with out killing him. What happens in Libya will have an effect on what happens in the other middle eastern countries we can be part of the struggle or we can sit back and watch what happens. We did not interfere in Egypt where the protests did not include the slaughter of thousands of people. President Obama's reluctance to get involved any more then what we are in the middle east indicates that he is willing to let the different protesting countries work through to their own out come.

    Maybe it's possible that the Presidents decision to participate in Libya is not tainted by US interests in oil, maybe that is why their is so much resistance to our being in Libya, maybe as I have suggested racial bias, a chance to further defame the President plays into the resistance to our involvement in Libya.

    To this point I have not denigrated the character of any poster here, I wonder how much different people would be if they had to sit across the table from one another when participating in debates

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Then shouldn't Obama fire Eric Holder and otherwise get the racists out of his administration so he can try to recapture that six percent his racist appointees have supposedly cost him?


    Just in case you missed it, the Race Card has been overplayed and is no longer accepted in play. Participants in debates are expected to produce real arguments now.
    Is it your opinion that the race card has been over played our do you have a source if so please supply it, my opinion backed up by a Stanford survey disagrees with your opinion. You can dismiss my opinion you can try to hide it away but that won't make it go away.

    I base my opinion on what I see and hear not on what your opinion is, my opinion is based on some of the unexplainable rhetoric for instance what would lead 51% of registered republicans to believe that President Obama was not born in America and another 23% to question his place of birth, If President Obama was white would this be an issue, if it not racism what is shaping these opinions enlighten me as to what possible reason they have for not believeing that he was not born in America. Is it that they don't believe that the NRC has the ability and means to make that determination?

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Is it your opinion that the race card has been over played our do you have a source if so please supply it, my opinion backed up by a Stanford survey disagrees with your opinion. You can dismiss my opinion you can try to hide it away but that won't make it go away.

    I base my opinion on what I see and hear not on what your opinion is, my opinion is based on some of the unexplainable rhetoric for instance what would lead 51% of registered republicans to believe that President Obama was not born in America and another 23% to question his place of birth, If President Obama was white would this be an issue, if it not racism what is shaping these opinions enlighten me as to what possible reason they have for not believeing that he was not born in America. Is it that they don't believe that the NRC has the ability and means to make that determination?
    Where to start, first of all earl obama wrote two books you should read them and you may find where the questioning of his birthplace were spawned.You and others need to stop whining about people questioning Obamas birth place and start yelling at OBAMA to just produce his american birthcertificate...WHERE IS IT..
    The governor of Hawaii cant find it...its amazing the level of denial obama supporters will stoop too and its even more incredible that after more than two years of observing his campaign lies, missteps, muslim arse kissing, FAILURES of all his policies you can still have the ordasity to try and use the worn out race card.
    Pay attention Earl for your own sake, Obama is no different than Jimmy Carter, both utter total complete failures who not only failed america with bad policy but disgraced us in front of the entire world. Last time I checked Carter was a lily white Georgia boy. Obama has gone a step further than carter did...hes trying to bankrupt us so the govt can take over everyones wealth and world and put a gps up everyones arse so they can know what your doing in a nano second.
    Wise up buddy...its not about race its about an failed pos whos breaking the back of our great country

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Where to start, first of all earl obama wrote two books you should read them and you may find where the questioning of his birthplace were spawned.You and others need to stop whining about people questioning Obamas birth place and start yelling at OBAMA to just produce his american birthcertificate...WHERE IS IT..
    The governor of Hawaii cant find it...its amazing the level of denial obama supporters will stoop too and its even more incredible that after more than two years of observing his campaign lies, missteps, muslim arse kissing, FAILURES of all his policies you can still have the ordasity to try and use the worn out race card.
    Pay attention Earl for your own sake, Obama is no different than Jimmy Carter, both utter total complete failures who not only failed america with bad policy but disgraced us in front of the entire world. Last time I checked Carter was a lily white Georgia boy. Obama has gone a step further than carter did...hes trying to bankrupt us so the govt can take over everyones wealth and world and put a gps up everyones arse so they can know what your doing in a nano second.
    Wise up buddy...its not about race its about an failed pos whos breaking the back of our great country
    I am sure that you know that his birth certificate has been examined and has been verified to be real if not I will supply you with the information

    FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

    Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

    Denying that his birth certificate is real is no different then denying that racism influences the way people look at the decisions he makes, Your assurances that he is a utter failure are based on what your assurances that the governor of Hawai can't find one.

    Why would I give any credibility to any one with out taking advantage of the internet's search capability, ignorance of the facts no longer supports bias arrogance, denying the facts never changed them. I think the stink being slung around by politicians on both sides just supports my claims that racism plays into their thought processes just like it plays into the minds of the 74% of registered republicans who don't believe that President Obama was born in America or the 30 plus percent of democrats that are still racist.

    Our great country if left to the republicans would already be economically bankrupt , your assurances that President Obama is trying to bankrupt us is not backed by any reliable sources or the present economical state of America, whether we can be saved or not depends on your definition of saved.

    Wake up we don't need to be buddies we just need to be honest, your entitled to your opinion and so am I the difference is I try to base mine on facts not hear say and chain-mails started by desperate irrational individuals who play on those who won't take the time to sort out the truth from fiction

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Why didn't I mention members of his own party, did President Obama change parties?Is President Obama still a democrat? I really don't care which party disagrees with his foreign policy in Libya nor do I care how many here disagree with his actions in Libya.

    I have a multi racial family, served in combat with the US infantry in Viet Nam where six out of the nine in my squad where minorities, so your right I am a racist.

    Those who disagree with the decision to get involved seem to change their mind every time the wind changes direction I do not see any uniformity or consistency in those who believe that the effort in Libya is wrong, I struggled to make a decision based on my limited knowledge of why we are involved, the Presidents party had nothing to do with my conclusion, I don't believe that America gets involved in any conflict, police action or war that does not in some way benefit American interests. With the UN backing the effort in Libya and America not spear heading the decision the only real American interest I can see is an interest to prevent the imminent slaughter of other human beings.

    The President has stated that our policy the American policy would be the removal of Kadafy he has also stated that our mission in Libya is to prevent the slaughter of the oppositon party I do not see a conflict between American policy and this mission, it is possible to stop the slaughter without removing Kadafy, It is possible to remove Kadafi with out killing him. What happens in Libya will have an effect on what happens in the other middle eastern countries we can be part of the struggle or we can sit back and watch what happens. We did not interfere in Egypt where the protests did not include the slaughter of thousands of people. President Obama's reluctance to get involved any more then what we are in the middle east indicates that he is willing to let the different protesting countries work through to their own out come.

    Maybe it's possible that the Presidents decision to participate in Libya is not tainted by US interests in oil, maybe that is why their is so much resistance to our being in Libya, maybe as I have suggested racial bias, a chance to further defame the President plays into the resistance to our involvement in Libya.

    To this point I have not denigrated the character of any poster here, I wonder how much different people would be if they had to sit across the table from one another when participating in debates
    Stop bringing up race and I could just about bet you that it will never GET brought up. You are the only one that saw fit to inject race into the discussion. Like I said earlier...you pulled it out of your ass when your other arguments were failing and thats just bad business there, son.

    My own position on our action is much less nuanced. Prior to Obamas decision to engage my personal opinion was that we should have announced loud and clear that we were not going to engage Libya militarily but that we fully supported the UN, Arab League, and others who deemed it necessary to do so. We would take whatever diplomatic and political stand we could to work to bring about a peaceful resolution. I didnt see us then clamoring to engage the Saudis, Bahrainians, or any of the other countries where government forces were violently clashing with protesters. In Libya...this isnt protesters being shot at, they aremd rebels not clamoring for political change but attempting the overthrow of a government. Thats called a civil war.

    HOWEVER...I have ALSO stated numerous times...the minute my Commander in Chief orders American servicemen into conflict, my position changes. I full on support the soldiers in their mission. At this point, until no American lives are in harms way, I stand unified with my President. End of discussion. United, the USA is a mighty force. Without the political squabbling and infighting (and yes...the political dissension by idiots that would fight against him just because he was a democrat), I believe any enemy with any remaining sense of reason wouldnt take us on. However we present a fractured front...one that our enemies see as weakness. All they have to do is exploit those political weaknesses and see the support of this country erode. And because of that, Servicemen die.

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