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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Establishing a NFZ will always require air strikes to neutralize air defense weapons.

    Lots of people who supported the NFZ believed it would be a simple matter of flying planes over Libya. They are quite surprised at what is necessary to establish an effective NFZ. We had to attack Iraqi AAA and SAM sites on a regular basis before OIF. This should not be a surprise to anyone.

    This is not mission creep IMO. 0bama has finally stated our intended goals in Libya are to protect the Libyan people and remove Gaddafi. I believe that was his policy since early last week. How that is to be achieved has yet to be announced and probably shouldn’t be. Why let Gaddafi know what we are doing to remove him?

    I support the President 100% on Libya. I have lots of problems with the way this is being conducted and the timing however.
    1 So, intervening in Libya because we have put out the message that we support freedom around the world - Bull****

    Hanging Omar from a lamp pole would be a positive, but that's about it because we won't get one single positive thing from a new government in Libya. There could be an expression of gratitude. Which will last long enough to drink a cup of koolaid.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Last I heard Obama was still denying that the goal of our involvement was to remove Gaddafi (even though it obviously is). The mission was originally just to stop a slaughter. Now it has become serving as the rebels' air force, and with the talk of "installing a democratic system" it seems that the goal has changed yet again.
    considering the 1st post in this thread, I'm not sure how he'd be able to say that with a straight face.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    1 So, intervening in Libya because we have put out the message that we support freedom around the world - Bull****

    Hanging Omar from a lamp pole would be a positive, but that's about it because we won't get one single positive thing from a new government in Libya. There could be an expression of gratitude. Which will last long enough to drink a cup of koolaid.
    you mean, we aren't doing it for the oil?

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    At leaste they didn't lie to us and concoct some ridiculous story about Weapons of Mass Destruction or something silly like that.
    After reading lots of your posts I know you are an intelligent person hazlnut. But it still amazes me that intelligent people believe this.

    The father of the "Bush Lied" hoax admitted that he made it up iin 2004.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    After reading lots of your posts I know you are an intelligent person hazlnut. But it still amazes me that intelligent people believe this.

    The father of the "Bush Lied" hoax admitted that he made it up iin 2004.
    I have no idea who "the father" is, but the entire idea is silly. Even if such a person existed, and thought as you do, it has little to nothing to do with the actual facts. Al libi was coearsed and doubted by the CIA. Bush and his people knew this. Curveball was doubted by the CIA, and this was known. There was no evidence outside of these two, and Chalibi's heros in error, who we also had much cause to doubt, that supported Bush's claims. This is called evidence and not anyone's invention. So, no one's statement trumps facts.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    you mean, we aren't doing it for the oil?
    Though Libya only accounts for about 2% of the worlds crude production, the oil impact is negligible, as Saudi Arabia, within a day and a half will up production to compensate for decreased Libyan output and could do so for the foreseeable future

    Why should we ever have gotten involved in this. It was never a winning situation. If, the "false" rebels want freedom and democracy let them earn it.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    After reading lots of your posts I know you are an intelligent person hazlnut. But it still amazes me that intelligent people believe this.

    The father of the "Bush Lied" hoax admitted that he made it up iin 2004.
    All of the people I know who believe that Bush lied/mislead the country believe so because of their own analysis of the situation not because some "father" of whatever told them to believe it.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have no idea who "the father" is, but the entire idea is silly. Even if such a person existed, and thought as you do, it has little to nothing to do with the actual facts. Al libi was coearsed and doubted by the CIA. Bush and his people knew this. Curveball was doubted by the CIA, and this was known. There was no evidence outside of these two, and Chalibi's heros in error, who we also had much cause to doubt, that supported Bush's claims. This is called evidence and not anyone's invention. So, no one's statement trumps facts.
    So everyone knew there were no WMD before the invasion? Is that the accusation?

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    All of the people I know who believe that Bush lied/mislead the country believe so because of their own analysis of the situation not because some "father" of whatever told them to believe it.
    That "analysis" occurred after the invasion. The earlier arguments were to give it more time.

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    re: White House denies regime change is part of Libya mission [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So everyone knew there were no WMD before the invasion? Is that the accusation?
    Bush and his administration knew he wasn't growing and gathering, and that the intel used to sell the war was seriously flawed. To know that, and they did, and say otherwise is the definition of lying.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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