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SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

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PIERRE, S.D.—South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard signed a law Tuesday requiring women to wait three days after meeting with a doctor to have an abortion, the longest waiting period in the nation.
Abortion rights groups have already said they plan to file a lawsuit challenging the measure, which also requires women to undergo counseling at pregnancy help centers that discourage abortions.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnewsold/ci_17672276

Props to SD. An informed decision not made on a whim is a better decision and less likely to cause lasting psychological trauma later.
 
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Props to SD. An informed decision not made on a whim is a better decision and less likely to cause trauma later.

What exactly is that 3 day wait going to accomplish? The fact of the matter is that some people just aren't going to be a suitable parent. Why make the child suffer in the long run? I think abortion is far more humane than raising a child in a potentially abusive and neglectful environment. Pro-life people are very gung ho about keeping fetuses alive, but when they become children they start to lose interest.
 
What exactly is that 3 day wait going to accomplish? The fact of the matter is that some people just aren't going to be a suitable parent. Why make the child suffer in the long run? I think abortion is far more humane than raising a child in a potentially abusive and neglectful environment. Pro-life people are very gung ho about keeping fetuses alive, but when they become children they start to lose interest.
I don't buy the humanitarian abortion argument, besides I could make the charge against "pro-choice" people. They'll support you as long as your choice is aborting. Choose to have the baby and they're nowhere to be seen.

Anyway, the waiting period and counseling are to be sure someone knows what's a stake in such an important decision.
 
I don't buy the humanitarian abortion argument, besides I could make the charge against "pro-choice" people. They'll support you as long as your choice is aborting. Choose to have the baby and they're nowhere to be seen.

WTF? I don't think I've ever seen a pro-choice person saying you should be forced to have an abortion. :roll:
 
WTF? I don't think I've ever seen a pro-choice person saying you should be forced to have an abortion. :roll:
Nevertheless, shouldn't the choice to have the baby be equally supported if you're pro choice?

BTW, I don't want to force people to have children. I just think that choice needs to be made before there's a baby in the picture.
 
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I don't buy the humanitarian abortion argument, besides I could make the charge against "pro-choice" people. They'll support you as long as your choice is aborting. Choose to have the baby and they're nowhere to be seen.

Anyway, the waiting period and counseling are to be sure someone knows what's a stake in such an important decision.

You don't buy it? The evidence speaks for itself. If a woman is determined to have an abortion and is, for whatever reason, forced to raise the child...how well do you think that child is going to do? Also, are you really arrogant enough to think that most women who get abortions don't know what is at stake or take it as an important decision? It's easy to judge these women when you aren't the one carrying the fetus for 9 months and going through all that pregnancy and birth entails.
 
SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law - The Denver Post

Props to SD. An informed decision not made on a whim is a better decision and less likely to cause lasting psychological trauma later.

Of course, conservatives hate the idea of government getting in the middle of people's affairs...

Conservatives hates the idea of the government forcing a middle man between patients and their doctors... etc.

Unless of course they don't like what completely legal decisions people are making.

Any "conservative" that supports this crap should switch their lean to "somewhat conservative".
 
Nevertheless, shouldn't the choice to have the baby be equally supported if you're pro choice?

BTW, I don't want to force people to have children. I just think that choice needs to be made before there's a baby in the picture.

Yes, it should be equally supported. I could even deal with a 3 day waiting period, but sending the person to a counselor that is specifically there to talk the person out of having an abortion is wrong. I'd also wonder who's job it is to make sure that these clinics don't cause these women more pain with false information. Is the state going to give them guidelines on what to tell women or are they just going to preach to them for hours?
 
Nevertheless, shouldn't the choice to have the baby be equally supported if you're pro choice?

BTW, I don't want to force people to have children. I just think that choice needs to be made before there's a baby in the picture.

I think a choice needs to be made too, and it is. However, I don't think it's anyone's place to impose a 3 day wait or to lecture a woman who is doing this simply because you don't agree with her decision.
 
You don't buy it? The evidence speaks for itself. If a woman is determined to have an abortion and is, for whatever reason, forced to raise the child...how well do you think that child is going to do?
Killing them for their own good just doesn't resonate with me.

Also, are you really arrogant enough to think that most women who get abortions don't know what is at stake or take it as an important decision?
Well then, the counseling should make no difference for those people. For others though, it may open their eyes to things they didn't know. More information is a good thing, not a bad thing.

It's easy to judge these women when you aren't the one carrying the fetus for 9 months and going through all that pregnancy and birth entails.
There's ways to not become pregnant.
 
Killing them for their own good just doesn't resonate with me.

That's fine, but that's also not what I'm saying.

Well then, the counseling should make no difference for those people. For others though, it may open their eyes to things they didn't know. More information is a good thing, not a bad thing.

It is assuming that your views on the subject are right. However, the only person whose views really matter on the subject are the woman who is carrying the fetus. It's nobody else's place to lecture or council.

There's ways to not become pregnant.

I never said there weren't. People aren't perfect, however, nor are contraceptives.
 
Well then, the counseling should make no difference for those people. For others though, it may open their eyes to things they didn't know. More information is a good thing, not a bad thing.

OK, I'll tell you what. Next time you want to drink or smoke or swear or gamble or have sex outside of marriage, we'll send you to counseling to have a time-out session where you can think about what you've done. It'll either make no difference to you, or it'll open your eyes to things you didn't know. More information is a good thing, right?

Let's not kid ourselves: The purpose of this counseling is to treat women like children and make them learn their lesson.

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There's ways to not become pregnant.

Yep, it's all about punishing the woman for being a slut.
 
Of course, conservatives hate the idea of government getting in the middle of people's affairs...

Conservatives hates the idea of the government forcing a middle man between patients and their doctors... etc.

Unless of course they don't like what completely legal decisions people are making.

Any "conservative" that supports this crap should switch their lean to "somewhat conservative".
Generally, conservatives believe that protecting innocent life is a valid government function.
 
Umm, yes?
Are you implying that it isn't? :confused:
Implying it? No. I'm saying it. Pro choicers will go to the mat for abortion "rights" yet disappear like dust in the wind if the choice is to give birth.
 
Generally, conservatives believe that protecting innocent life is a valid government function.

Abortions are legal. If you want that overturned then do it in the courts or change the constitution. Until then you're simply arguing for a nanny state. People apparently aren't smart enough to make their own decisions. Goes against conservative ideology perfectly but doesn't seem to phase you at all, lol.
 
Implying it? No. I'm saying it. Pro choicers will go to the mat for abortion "rights" yet disappear like dust in the wind if the choice is to give birth.

Oh, give me a break. It's called pro-CHOICE for a reason. My wife happens to be pregnant. Do you honestly think, because I'm pro-choice, that I'm advocating abortion?
 
Implying it? No. I'm saying it. Pro choicers will go to the mat for abortion "rights" yet disappear like dust in the wind if the choice is to give birth.

I've never seen any pro-choice protesters outside of maternity wards demanding that the fetuses be aborted. I have, however, seen plenty of pro-life protesters outside of abortion clinics demanding that they not be. :roll:
 
Yes, it should be equally supported. I could even deal with a 3 day waiting period, but sending the person to a counselor that is specifically there to talk the person out of having an abortion is wrong. I'd also wonder who's job it is to make sure that these clinics don't cause these women more pain with false information. Is the state going to give them guidelines on what to tell women or are they just going to preach to them for hours?
I don't know. The law is too new to know how it will be implemented. I, obviously would not support giving someone the wrong information no matter which side of the debate they're on.
 
Oh, give me a break. It's called pro-CHOICE for a reason. My wife happens to be pregnant. Do you honestly think, because I'm pro-choice, that I'm advocating abortion?

Exactly. Until someone proposes a law forcing abortions on people then pro choice people are pro choice. Either way you do what you want.

There is a difference between advocating for the choice to have an abortion and advocating for an abortion. I've never heard of anybody arguing with another person that they should have an abortion.
 
Nevertheless, shouldn't the choice to have the baby be equally supported if you're pro choice?

BTW, I don't want to force people to have children. I just think that choice needs to be made before there's a baby in the picture.

I'm not pro-choice, but the reason so-called "pro-choicers" don't seem to be crying out for those who choose to have the baby is because those people are still free to have their baby, whereas the law in many cases prevents those who want an abortion from having the freedom to follow through with that decision. It's hard to fight for something when there's nothing there to really fight for.

And the phrase "pro-choice" is nothing more than a good PR move. Better than saying "pro-allowing-people-to-kill-their-unborn-babies."
 
I think a choice needs to be made too, and it is. However, I don't think it's anyone's place to impose a 3 day wait or to lecture a woman who is doing this simply because you don't agree with her decision.
I think they just want to be sure nobody is making the decision on a whim or being strongarmed by someone to do something they don't want to do.
 
I don't know. The law is too new to know how it will be implemented. I, obviously would not support giving someone the wrong information no matter which side of the debate they're on.

Then shouldn't they go a clinic that isn't against abortions but someone who just answers the persons questions with facts and is not invested on trying to talk the person out of an abortion?
 
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