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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

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    Of planned Parenthood own coercive tactics.....





    So when a counter to PP was formed in NYC across the street, do you know what happened to them?

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    This is bad, but it's not so much coercion as it is just flat out lying. I agree that Planned Parenthood uses certain questionable tactics and they should be held accountable.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

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    Of planned Parenthood own coercive tactics.....





    So when a counter to PP was formed in NYC across the street, do you know what happened to them?

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    That's the fault of making the choice based on things such as 'heartbeat'

    For all the many reasons why I support abortion - whether the developing has a beating heart, fingers and toes isn't really it. There's more to 'having a baby' than the multiplication of cells and passing the child tween your loins.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

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    This is bad, but it's not so much coercion as it is just flat out lying. I agree that Planned Parenthood uses certain questionable tactics and they should be held accountable.

    So then I ask again, what's the problem with a counter balance to PP? NYC government officals had at least one private concern like that, run by a Nun, closed, and investigated...Or should I say intimidated.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That's the fault of making the choice based on things such as 'heartbeat'

    For all the many reasons why I support abortion - whether the developing has a beating heart, fingers and toes isn't really it. There's more to 'having a baby' than the multiplication of cells and passing the child tween your loins.
    And how far along should the "mass of cells" your own words here, be allowed to be snuffed out?

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Because everyone knows that this "counseling" is coercive in nature. By this logic, we should also mandate counseling for all those who chose to have the child in order to explain the benefits of abortion.
    This is the thing for me. It's not giving people the information to make a good choice, you're just trying to get them to change their mind. Someone brought up counseling for overcoming drug addiction, but the big difference is that addiction counselors aren't sitting there explaining to the addict the benefits of drugs.

    Mainly, I hate these piddling little restrictions on abortion. If you think abortion should be illegal, then propose a law that makes it illegal. They're just trying to score points with their base without actually changing anything about abortion. They can go back to the religious conservatives and tout their "pro-life" credentials -- but abortion is still perfectly legal.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So then I ask again, what's the problem with a counter balance to PP? NYC government officals had at least one private concern like that, run by a Nun, closed, and investigated...Or should I say intimidated.

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    IIRC, many "crisis pregnancy centers" exist in the United states, and even get millions of dollars in funding much as Planned Parenthood does. Over 4,000 currently exist in the US. In many cases they set themselves up right across the street from abortion clinics, so people considering having an abortion certainly have access to counselors on both sides of the issue right now, and are not being coerced into doing having to consult with one or the other or both.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And how far along should the "mass of cells" your own words here, be allowed to be snuffed out?

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    I'm with the majority and support it being done within the first two months (6 to 8 weeks) - I prefer as soon as possible once the woman becomes aware that she is pregnant. But a few days between confirmation and having the procedure done isn't going to do anyone any harm.

    There is no *defined line* at where it's cut off, though - just like there's no defined line where a premature infant can be born and survive. It's different for everyone - which is why I'm against mid-term and late-term abortions (2nd and 3rd trimester) - I think that gives too much leniency.

    You can try to toss all the little snide phrases around like 'snuffed out' and 'mass of cells' all you'd like - but it's actually a serious subject which can and should be discussed maturely.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So then I ask again, what's the problem with a counter balance to PP? NYC government officals had at least one private concern like that, run by a Nun, closed, and investigated...Or should I say intimidated.

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    There already are counter balances to PP - churches and other "pro-life" religious organizations. If you want an abortion, you know where to go. If you want to have a kid, you know where to go. The government doesn't need to "mandate" counseling - you go to the person who's going to do what you want them to do - hence choice.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Of planned Parenthood own coercive tactics.....





    So when a counter to PP was formed in NYC across the street, do you know what happened to them?

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    Everything except for the heartbeat part was true...Also, everyone knows what you're going to get when you go to PP just like everyone knows what your going to get when you go to your Catholic priest. They're both private organizations.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm with the majority and support it being done within the first two months (6 to 8 weeks) - I prefer as soon as possible once the woman becomes aware that she is pregnant. But a few days between confirmation and having the procedure done isn't going to do anyone any harm.

    Heartbeat is a 3 weeks and 1 day. Would you agree that first, many women don't even know they are pregnant in that time frame? and second, that a heartbeat is a medically accepted determining factor of life?

    So, at the very least your supposition of doing harm is questionable in my opinion.

    There is no *defined line* at where it's cut off, though - just like there's no defined line where a premature infant can be born and survive. It's different for everyone - which is why I'm against mid-term and late-term abortions (2nd and 3rd trimester) - I think that gives too much leniency.
    agreed

    You can try to toss all the little snide phrases around like 'snuffed out' and 'mass of cells' all you'd like - but it's actually a serious subject which can and should be discussed maturely.
    I wasn't being snide, or sarcastic at all, merely using TPD's own words....Is that wrong now?

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