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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

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    It's funny that there are folks who see counseling as a good thing when it comes to buying a house, rehabilitating criminals, overcoming addiction, etc. But, for some reason, oppose it for abortion.
    I think the problem at hand isn't whether or not counseling for abortion is a good thing, but rather whether or not it should be made mandatory.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think the problem at hand isn't whether or not counseling for abortion is a good thing, but rather whether or not it should be made mandatory.

    What would be wrong with counseling the woman fully before making a choice like that? I thought liberals were all for informed decisions?

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What would be wrong with counseling the woman fully before making a choice like that? I thought liberals were all for informed decisions?

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    Well, don't ask me, I personally don't care much about abortion rights, so you'd have to ask them. My personal opinion is that if there should be any type of mandatory counseling it should be mandatory having-responsible-sex counseling for every teenager.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What would be wrong with counseling the woman fully before making a choice like that? I thought liberals were all for informed decisions?

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    I thought conservatives were against forcing people to do things?
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Well, don't ask me, I personally don't care much about abortion rights, so you'd have to ask them. My personal opinion is that if there should be any type of mandatory counseling it should be mandatory having-responsible-sex counseling for every teenager.

    Something fishy about this passive/aggressive approach I see you forming.


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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What would be wrong with counseling the woman fully before making a choice like that? I thought liberals were all for informed decisions?

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    Counseling the woman fully? The counseling is coming from anti-abortion people. You're whole point is mute and you'd have saved us all alot of time by reading the article before posting.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

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    I thought conservatives were against forcing people to do things?
    Many conservatives are religious people, and as such believe in life. I wouldn't see it as "forcing" anything as much as providing a counter balance to the tactics of PP.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Something fishy about this passive/aggressive approach I see you forming.


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    Passive-aggressive? I haven't personally taken a stand on the issue at all. I was merely trying to make the nature of the discussion clear to everyone. Helps to know what you're debating when you recognize where precisely the disagreements are. Dr. Patrick wasn't arguing that abortion counseling is a bad thing, he was disagreeing that it should be made mandatory. I was just trying to make that clear.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Counseling the woman fully? The counseling is coming from anti-abortion people. You're whole point is mute and you'd have saved us all alot of time by reading the article before posting.
    Are you telling me that advocates of abortion are not counseling these women now?

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are you telling me that advocates of abortion are not counseling these women now?

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    She is choosing where to go for what services and advice. Noone is forcing pregnant women to listen to pro-abortion lectures and classes. That's the difference dude. One is state mandated, one isn't. If the counseling is state mandated then it should be as neutral as possible.

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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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