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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Yes, it should be equally supported. I could even deal with a 3 day waiting period, but sending the person to a counselor that is specifically there to talk the person out of having an abortion is wrong. I'd also wonder who's job it is to make sure that these clinics don't cause these women more pain with false information. Is the state going to give them guidelines on what to tell women or are they just going to preach to them for hours?
    I don't know. The law is too new to know how it will be implemented. I, obviously would not support giving someone the wrong information no matter which side of the debate they're on.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Oh, give me a break. It's called pro-CHOICE for a reason. My wife happens to be pregnant. Do you honestly think, because I'm pro-choice, that I'm advocating abortion?
    Exactly. Until someone proposes a law forcing abortions on people then pro choice people are pro choice. Either way you do what you want.

    There is a difference between advocating for the choice to have an abortion and advocating for an abortion. I've never heard of anybody arguing with another person that they should have an abortion.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

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    Nevertheless, shouldn't the choice to have the baby be equally supported if you're pro choice?

    BTW, I don't want to force people to have children. I just think that choice needs to be made before there's a baby in the picture.
    I'm not pro-choice, but the reason so-called "pro-choicers" don't seem to be crying out for those who choose to have the baby is because those people are still free to have their baby, whereas the law in many cases prevents those who want an abortion from having the freedom to follow through with that decision. It's hard to fight for something when there's nothing there to really fight for.

    And the phrase "pro-choice" is nothing more than a good PR move. Better than saying "pro-allowing-people-to-kill-their-unborn-babies."
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I think a choice needs to be made too, and it is. However, I don't think it's anyone's place to impose a 3 day wait or to lecture a woman who is doing this simply because you don't agree with her decision.
    I think they just want to be sure nobody is making the decision on a whim or being strongarmed by someone to do something they don't want to do.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I don't know. The law is too new to know how it will be implemented. I, obviously would not support giving someone the wrong information no matter which side of the debate they're on.
    Then shouldn't they go a clinic that isn't against abortions but someone who just answers the persons questions with facts and is not invested on trying to talk the person out of an abortion?
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Exactly. Until someone proposes a law forcing abortions on people then pro choice people are pro choice. Either way you do what you want.

    There is a difference between advocating for the choice to have an abortion and advocating for an abortion. I've never heard of anybody arguing with another person that they should have an abortion.
    That's why I find it interesting that people think it is a black vs. white argument. Nobody is arguing the pro-abortion side. I know there are some pro-life people who get delight in calling pro-choice people pro-abortion, but its' completely untrue. It's not an even sided argument. It's an extreme viewpoint vs. a middle ground viewpoint

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    That's fine, but that's also not what I'm saying.



    It is assuming that your views on the subject are right. However, the only person whose views really matter on the subject are the woman who is carrying the fetus. It's nobody else's place to lecture or council.
    It's funny that there are folks who see counseling as a good thing when it comes to buying a house, rehabilitating criminals, overcoming addiction, etc. But, for some reason, oppose it for abortion.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think they just want to be sure nobody is making the decision on a whim
    And why exactly is it up to anyone but the mother to decide whether it's being made on a whim? It's ignorant to assume that these women haven't thought it through. Just because you can't fathom why a mother would have an abortion doesn't mean that it is an unfathomable position.

    or being strongarmed by someone to do something they don't want to do.
    Ah, so it's okay to strongarm them to do the opposite?

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's funny that there are folks who see counseling as a good thing when it comes to buying a house, rehabilitating criminals, overcoming addiction, etc. But, for some reason, oppose it for abortion.
    If the women wanted counseling, they would get it. Interestingly enough, most of your examples of counseling (which aren't even remotely comparible to abortion counseling) are optional things.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's funny that there are folks who see counseling as a good thing when it comes to buying a house, rehabilitating criminals, overcoming addiction, etc. But, for some reason, oppose it for abortion.
    Counseling for buying a house is a good thing...if it's voluntary. Counseling for rehabilitating criminals and overcoming addiction is a good thing...if it's voluntary and/or a result of a court order for breaking the law.

    Mandatory counseling for a legal activity? Not so good.
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