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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This makes as much sense as a waiting period to purchase a handgun.
    And did you notice, in the years preceding a SCOTUS revisit of the 2nd, anti-gun states passed law after law in preparation for that court battle?

    That's what's going on here.

    I agree, tough, by itself the law is retarded.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So, to be consistent, you must believe that abortion is ok right up until birth. After all, if you're okay with abortion at 12 weeks, logically for the same reasons you should be morally obligated to support abortion "rights" right up until birth.
    Not at all. My argument is that once the fetus is capable of feeling pain, it is alive, to a certain extent. Many theories of ethics use this is a determination of what we should treat with deference.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Not at all. My argument is that once the fetus is capable of feeling pain, it is alive, to a certain extent.
    How do you determine when a fetus feel pain?

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    I'm not familiar with state gun laws (don't personally own a firearm), but why exactly is there a wait period? What's the rationale behind it?
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    Not at all. My argument is that once the fetus is capable of feeling pain, it is alive, to a certain extent. Many theories of ethics use this is a determination of what we should treat with deference.
    So any time we can take pain away, we can terminate.

    Coma, anyone?

    Even better, we can just put unwanted children under a general anesthetic. No pin, no 'personhood'.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm not familiar with state gun laws (don't personally own a firearm), but why exactly is there a wait period? What's the rationale behind it?
    It's supposed to detour buying a firearm with the intent of immediately committing a crime with it. The 3 days is supposed to give you time to cool off.

    Supposedly having to wait 3 days for an abortion is going to have some impact on the woman's choice. I highly doubt it. My X and I came to the decision, back in the day, to abort about a week before she even went to PP.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's supposed to detour buying a firearm with the intent of immediately committing a crime with it. The 3 days is supposed to give you time to cool off.

    Supposedly having to wait 3 days for an abortion is going to have some impact on the woman's choice. I highly doubt it. My X and I came to the decision, back in the day, to abort about a week before she even went to PP.
    In that case, I agree both are dumb. The vast majority of people who buy firearms aren't looking to commit a crime, and I fail to see how a three-day wait period would stop a determined criminal. Maybe it would make some sense of most criminals who buy guns do it in a fit of impulsive passion, but I highly doubt that. The real problem is straw purchases.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well then, the counseling should make no difference for those people. For others though, it may open their eyes to things they didn't know. More information is a good thing, not a bad thing.
    So, you're against defunding PP?
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    What exactly is that 3 day wait going to accomplish?
    The Brady Law mandated a three day waiting period to buy a gun to go kill someone, shouldn't there also be a three day waiting period before killing your own unborn child, just to cool off?

    The fact of the matter is that some people just aren't going to be a suitable parent. Why make the child suffer in the long run?
    This argument will carry weight when you start supporting the idea that born children living in whatever it is you define as "suffering" should be dragged away and shot because they're so miserable.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Of course, conservatives hate the idea of government getting in the middle of people's affairs...

    Conservatives hates the idea of the government forcing a middle man between patients and their doctors... etc.

    Unless of course they don't like what completely legal decisions people are making.

    Any "conservative" that supports this crap should switch their lean to "somewhat conservative".
    Conservatives understand that the role of government is to protect the innocent.

    Nothing more innocent than an unborn child.

    If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant she has many many options, from drugs to foam to diaphragms, to condoms, and, most effective of all, using the word "no".

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