Is it informing, or misinforming when a PP proponent tells a girl that "it's a "hear tone" at 10 weeks" and not a heartbeat?
Is it informing, or misinforming when a PP doctor tells a girl that she could "die" giving birth?
See, I think that in this day and age when information is abundant about the protection from pregnancy out there, or simply that somehow they didn't know that having sex would get them pregnant is so far an abdication of responsibility, making abortion a contraceptive measure that it makes my heart sad.
What of the father of that child? why is there no say there?
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Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
Can I ask a dumb question at this point? Why is it that the people who are most against abortion are also the most against universal health care? Or the most pro-gun?
We should protect life until a person is born, and then it's "piss off you're on your own?" It just seems illogical to me. I'd think that if you were pro-life that would extend to the lives of people that are already born. How many people die because they don't get good healthcare? How many people die because they get shot?
I'm not accusing, it just seems logical to me that if you want to protect life that the commitment would extend past birth.
Personally, I see these laws as the exact same thing as waiting periods for guns. One must wait a short period of time in order to exercise their rights. I'm opposed to these waiting periods in my own state in both cases (mainly because I think they are both pointless wastes of time), but that being said, I support the rights of other states to pass such laws in tehir own jurisdiction. I would oppose both at the federal level.
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: favoring the legalization of abortion <---Nowhere in any part of the definition of pro-abortion does it say that you believe that abortion must be mandatory or that you must get an abortion.
pro·abor·tion·ist Pronunciation: /-sh(ə-)nəst/
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This whining about definitions is nothing more that chicken **** tactic used to avoid answering questions and is a piss poor attempt to define the terms of a debate. You are as bad as those racists who ignore the dictionary and claim that only white people can be racist because they make up the majority of people in power. If you do not like the term pro-abortion then write letters to Webster's dictionary. Have some integrity and courage and answer the post.
This is not the first time I pointed out to you that pro-abortion does not be mean you believe you got to have an abortion just like pro-gay marriage does not mean you got to marry someone of the same sex or that pro-2nd amendment does not mean you have to run out and buy a gun. You believe that abortion should be legal, so quit acting like you ashamed of that view.
So now thats been cleared up you can actually respond to this post instead of complaining about definitions.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059365904 (SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law)
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If it was just a waiting period, I'd have absolutely no problem with it.
I've never known anyone to abort a fetus as a spur of the moment decision. There is already a waiting period. It just happens without some kind of official benchmark. It seems useless. I understand the sentiment, but I can't see how having to make an extra appointment will ensure that a person is not pressured into a decision.
The purpose of a waiting period with guns is to prevent someone from acquiring a weapon in the heat of rage and then using it on another person, or on themselves. Taking time to calm down and not make an emotional decision is a very valid stance.
Abortions are not pursued in the heat of passion, however. Often, it is the cold logic that raising a child is impractical that informs an abortion, not a quick emotional reaction. The comparison is really invalid.
Steps should be in place to reduce the need for abortion, not to make it more difficult in our present system. Stigmatization of accidental pregnancy and of sexual freedom, the poor stance we take on birth control, the lack of assistance we give to poor parents... These are the causes of abortion, not the lack of a 3 day waiting period.
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