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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What aspects of the law are incompatiable with conservative ideology?

    Rough attempted to say the fact that its implimenting further government action into individuals lives...but from the perspective of the people arguing for that, they're implimenting further government action towards the protection of a child from harm. There's nothing in conservative ideology that suggests such a thing isn't a legitimate government function.
    And FTR... there is no language in this measure that says it about "protecting the child from harm." The reason issue here is making women wait and think about things after getting an ear full from a pro life "therapist."

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Speaking of information and misinformation... I have gone to some CPCs in my area, and read their websites. Some of them actually push the idea that having an abortion will cause lung cancer... wtf.

    They try to scare the hell out of people, and most of the "facts" on their websites are lies.

    Really, I don't have a problem with people being informed on abortion and reproduction and that's one of the problems I have with this law. I am not sure they are actually informing people or misinforming people.

    Is it informing, or misinforming when a PP proponent tells a girl that "it's a "hear tone" at 10 weeks" and not a heartbeat?

    Is it informing, or misinforming when a PP doctor tells a girl that she could "die" giving birth?

    See, I think that in this day and age when information is abundant about the protection from pregnancy out there, or simply that somehow they didn't know that having sex would get them pregnant is so far an abdication of responsibility, making abortion a contraceptive measure that it makes my heart sad.

    What of the father of that child? why is there no say there?


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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    What exactly is that 3 day wait going to accomplish? The fact of the matter is that some people just aren't going to be a suitable parent. Why make the child suffer in the long run? I think abortion is far more humane than raising a child in a potentially abusive and neglectful environment. Pro-life people are very gung ho about keeping fetuses alive, but when they become children they start to lose interest.
    Mercy killing eh?

    I don't know if I really agree with this law, but I also don't agree with wait periods for guns either.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Can I ask a dumb question at this point? Why is it that the people who are most against abortion are also the most against universal health care? Or the most pro-gun?

    We should protect life until a person is born, and then it's "piss off you're on your own?" It just seems illogical to me. I'd think that if you were pro-life that would extend to the lives of people that are already born. How many people die because they don't get good healthcare? How many people die because they get shot?

    I'm not accusing, it just seems logical to me that if you want to protect life that the commitment would extend past birth.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ... but I also don't agree with wait periods for guns either.
    I think that's the most fascinating thing about this debate. Replace "abortion" with "gun" and the demographics of the debate will change dramatically with full reversals of position occurring with many of the people here.

    Personally, I see these laws as the exact same thing as waiting periods for guns. One must wait a short period of time in order to exercise their rights. I'm opposed to these waiting periods in my own state in both cases (mainly because I think they are both pointless wastes of time), but that being said, I support the rights of other states to pass such laws in tehir own jurisdiction. I would oppose both at the federal level.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is it informing, or misinforming when a PP proponent tells a girl that "it's a "hear tone" at 10 weeks" and not a heartbeat?

    Is it informing, or misinforming when a PP doctor tells a girl that she could "die" giving birth?

    See, I think that in this day and age when information is abundant about the protection from pregnancy out there, or simply that somehow they didn't know that having sex would get them pregnant is so far an abdication of responsibility, making abortion a contraceptive measure that it makes my heart sad.

    What of the father of that child? why is there no say there?


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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is it informing, or misinforming when a PP proponent tells a girl that "it's a "hear tone" at 10 weeks" and not a heartbeat?

    Is it informing, or misinforming when a PP doctor tells a girl that she could "die" giving birth?

    See, I think that in this day and age when information is abundant about the protection from pregnancy out there, or simply that somehow they didn't know that having sex would get them pregnant is so far an abdication of responsibility, making abortion a contraceptive measure that it makes my heart sad.

    What of the father of that child? why is there no say there?


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    Wait, why is "die" in quotation marks?

    I'm confused as to what point you are trying to make. That Planned Parenthood lies to patients in an attempt to influence them to have abortions? Give examples.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    As per usual, all of your credibility flies out the window when you start to refer to the pro-choice crowd as "pro-abortion". If you honestly want to be taken seriously in this debate and have thoughtful answers to your questions you should probably keep that in mind. The simple fact that you feel justified in making such an absurd leap speaks volumes about you. Feel free to say that I'm dodging your questions, but I take serious offense to your simplistic view of pro-choice people. The only thing I will offer up, and you can reply to it if you want, is that my wife and I are both pro-choice. Yet, she is pregnant and we are having a child together. It kind of blows your idiotic theory of pro-choice being pro-abortion out of the water, doesn't it? You simply can't stand the fact that the abortion debate isn't one extreme versus the opposite extreme, so you make things up as you go along. Anyway, this will be my last reply to you on the subject...so feel free to sling any and all insults that you want. The ignore button is only a click away.
    What insults? Why are you so dishonest? We had this discussion before and I proved you wrong. Here is the definition of pro-abortion so that you and everyone else can see.


    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pro-abortion
    Medical Dictionary

    pro·abor·tion definition
    Pronunciation: /(ˈ)prō-ə-ˈbȯr-shən/
    Function: adj
    : favoring the legalization of abortion <---Nowhere in any part of the definition of pro-abortion does it say that you believe that abortion must be mandatory or that you must get an abortion.

    pro·abor·tion·ist Pronunciation: /-sh(ə-)nəst/
    Function: n
    Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2007 Merriam-Webster, Inc






    This whining about definitions is nothing more that chicken **** tactic used to avoid answering questions and is a piss poor attempt to define the terms of a debate. You are as bad as those racists who ignore the dictionary and claim that only white people can be racist because they make up the majority of people in power. If you do not like the term pro-abortion then write letters to Webster's dictionary. Have some integrity and courage and answer the post.

    This is not the first time I pointed out to you that pro-abortion does not be mean you believe you got to have an abortion just like pro-gay marriage does not mean you got to marry someone of the same sex or that pro-2nd amendment does not mean you have to run out and buy a gun. You believe that abortion should be legal, so quit acting like you ashamed of that view.



    So now thats been cleared up you can actually respond to this post instead of complaining about definitions.
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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post

    I don't know if I really agree with this law, but I also don't agree with wait periods for guns either.
    There's an important difference, though. When you're in the waiting period for a gun, you're not required to get "counselling" from anti-gun people. This law requires people to get "counselling" from anti-abortion people.

    If it was just a waiting period, I'd have absolutely no problem with it.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    I've never known anyone to abort a fetus as a spur of the moment decision. There is already a waiting period. It just happens without some kind of official benchmark. It seems useless. I understand the sentiment, but I can't see how having to make an extra appointment will ensure that a person is not pressured into a decision.

    The purpose of a waiting period with guns is to prevent someone from acquiring a weapon in the heat of rage and then using it on another person, or on themselves. Taking time to calm down and not make an emotional decision is a very valid stance.

    Abortions are not pursued in the heat of passion, however. Often, it is the cold logic that raising a child is impractical that informs an abortion, not a quick emotional reaction. The comparison is really invalid.

    Steps should be in place to reduce the need for abortion, not to make it more difficult in our present system. Stigmatization of accidental pregnancy and of sexual freedom, the poor stance we take on birth control, the lack of assistance we give to poor parents... These are the causes of abortion, not the lack of a 3 day waiting period.
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