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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Implying it? No. I'm saying it. Pro choicers will go to the mat for abortion "rights" yet disappear like dust in the wind if the choice is to give birth.
    Your bigotry is shining through here. Not all pro choicers are alike. Not all pro choicers even like abortion.

    My mother is pro choice. She has 4 children, no abortions. My mother is personally pro life, but politically pro choice. My sisters are the same... have babies, no abortions. My father hates abortion, but thinks is better for society that it remain legal. I have never been pregnant or had an abortion.

    I never disappeared on my sisters or friends when they chose to give birth... I never told them to abortion. I supported their choice. The right to give birth is not being attacked. Being a parent is a choice... choose it responsibility. If not, I will get Children Services on your @ss, and I have done it before.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    If the women wanted counseling, they would get it. Interestingly enough, most of your examples of counseling (which aren't even remotely comparible to abortion counseling) are optional things.
    I think the problem with seeking counseling is judgement... If I wanted counseling, I definitely wouldn't want it from a biased pro life counselor whom may sit there and judge me as a selfish, baby killer. A big part of therapy is building trust, and you have to feel comfortable opening up to the therapist. If the therapist judges you or shames you, it would cause more damage. You'd be less likely to seek therapy again...

    If pro lifers really cared about the well being of these women and young girls, they'd have enough respect to give them quality therapy.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I think the problem with seeking counseling is judgement... If I wanted counseling, I definitely wouldn't want it from a biased pro life counselor whom may sit there and judge me as a selfish, baby killer. A big part of therapy is building trust, and you have to feel comfortable opening up to the therapist. If the therapist judges you or shames you, it would cause more damage. You'd be less likely to seek therapy again...

    If pro lifers really cared about the well being of these women and young girls, they'd have enough respect to give them quality therapy.
    Exactly. To be honest, I think it's silly that they even refer to it as "counseling."

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    I read a few comments about more information being good. Generally that's true, but when you are mandated by law to receive information that may be biased, that's not so good.

    Here is a link to a congressional investigation into federally funded pregnancy resource centers and the conclusion.





    Here's more on crisis pregnancy centers.

    Crisis pregnancy center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    But I guess if it delivers the message you like, it's all OK.
    Speaking of information and misinformation... I have gone to some CPCs in my area, and read their websites. Some of them actually push the idea that having an abortion will cause lung cancer... wtf.

    They try to scare the hell out of people, and most of the "facts" on their websites are lies.

    Really, I don't have a problem with people being informed on abortion and reproduction and that's one of the problems I have with this law. I am not sure they are actually informing people or misinforming people.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yes, because clearly you are the only arbiter of what is or isn't conservative and are essentially God when it comes to conservatism, able to dictate what is or isn't it? Roughdraft see's absolutely no other way this can be viewed and thus anyone that doesn't view it exactly like him isn't conservative.

    If one views that the fetus is a human being then this action is not inherently unconservative. All but the most extreme of conservatives acknowledge that the government should not be an anarchy, that there should be some purposes to the government, and one such purpose is providing protection (such as police officers, military, etc) for individuals especially those that are unable to protect themselves. This is a necessary function of government that by and large all but the most extreme of conservatives view as reasonable.

    This is no less "conservative" based on those peoples view of the situation, which is frankly no less valid than yours, than a conservative saying that Police should be able to intervene if there is reason to believe a parent is beating thier child. I somehow doubt you'd suggest someone in favor of such a measure should change their lean to "somewhat conservative".

    I don't exactly agree with this, as I see it as a rather pointless tacked on law that will have little real effect. At the same time, I don't have a huge issue with it either. But to say that someone can not come to the conclussion of favoring this from a conservative stand point is utterly egotistical and absolutely assanine, requiring the person to be so pompous as to believe that it is impossible or inconcievable for anyone to DARE view the part of this situation that is by no means a clear cut matter in a way OTHER than how they view it.

    Yes, I would agree. If someone believed the fetus was not a child and shouldn't be protected under the law AND claimed that this law should go into affect AND claimed to be a conservative I'd share your questioning of it. However, if someone believes the fetus to be a child, the state protecting individuals...especially those unable to protect themselves...is something by and large conservatives view as a legitimate government duty.
    In general, I don't have a problem with conservatives wanting to protect unborn life as a principle. However, there is a difference between working in your community to lessen the burden on single mothers and teen mothers, and supporting legislation that treats women like children who can't be trusted to govern their own womb.

    When lifers argue that life is scared... I don't have a problem.

    When they say, "God creates life, and we shouldn't interfere," I really don't have a problem even though I don't agree..

    I start getting annoyed when instead of talking about life, they shame women and young girls for having sex..

    I have absolutely no respect for them when they go on the attack and want rape survivors to PROVE IT.

    When lifers make the argument about women and not life, then they look sexist and they look like there stance is more about punishing females for having sex than it is about preserving life.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Why does every discussion of abortion have to turn to "rape survivors" when that's such a small percentage of women who actually get abortions?
    Why do lifers always brush rape survivors under the rug during these debates, but don't shy away from attacking them in the congress and senate?

    GOP Abortion Bill Redefines Rape - The Daily Beast

    GOP Abortion Bill Redefines Rape - Yahoo! News

    GOP Anti-Abortion Bill to Turn IRS Agents Into ‘Abortion Cops’ - In The Aggregate – Arizona's political blogs

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    In general, I don't have a problem with conservatives wanting to protect unborn life as a principle. However, there is a difference between working in your community to lessen the burden on single mothers and teen mothers, and supporting legislation that treats women like children who can't be trusted to govern their own womb.
    I'm not saying you have to like, agree with, or support the law. Heck, I've said in the thread I'm not a big fan of it. My issue wasn't with disliking the law, it was with suggesting that it was somehow completely incompatiable with conservative ideology.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I'm not saying you have to like, agree with, or support the law. Heck, I've said in the thread I'm not a big fan of it. My issue wasn't with disliking the law, it was with suggesting that it was somehow completely incompatiable with conservative ideology.
    Some aspects of this law are incompatible... but being pro life in general, is not incompatible

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Some aspects of this law are incompatible... but being pro life in general, is not incompatible
    What aspects of the law are incompatiable with conservative ideology?

    Rough attempted to say the fact that its implimenting further government action into individuals lives...but from the perspective of the people arguing for that, they're implimenting further government action towards the protection of a child from harm. There's nothing in conservative ideology that suggests such a thing isn't a legitimate government function.

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    Re: SD governor signs 3-day wait for abortion into law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What aspects of the law are incompatiable with conservative ideology?

    Rough attempted to say the fact that its implimenting further government action into individuals lives...but from the perspective of the people arguing for that, they're implimenting further government action towards the protection of a child from harm. There's nothing in conservative ideology that suggests such a thing isn't a legitimate government function.
    Requiring counseling from an unlicensed counselor... an unlicensed counselor, come on. The government can't make sure the therapy is legit or even beneficial to the patient. We all know it's not legit therapy. The therapists are working for a pro life cause, and it raises concerns that some of these females might just be setup to be judged and attacked.

    This would be like the government requiring you get therapy from a PETA representative before you get a hunting license. It's unprecedented...

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