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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

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    Heh, the genetic argument.

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    Of course we make the choice. I'm just saying that people wonder how it's possible, well look at human nature and history. We do this all the time. Humans can be very savage animals.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Now imagine how often this happens. People that do nasty/tricky things are good at not getting caught. How many more deaths have come from the hands of someone that wants to rack up their kill count using civs? Why are THEY terrorists but WE aren't when our people do this? Are Arabs so non-human that we have to enable situations that can allow this? How can anyone argue that we are in Afgan for the greater good? Its just full of kids with really, really big and dangerous toys.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    So, let me get this straight. You send people somewhere for the sole purpose of killing people, then you're angry when they kill people outside of your preferred manner of killing, and when they kill the people you haven't designated okay to kill. This all comes from a society that says killing is wrong...
    Yes, you should try to get it straight. Perhaps you should enlist in the Marines so you can learn what the function of the military is for instead of spouting off the nonsense you are?

    The military exists to kill the right people, to break the right equipment, and resolve the issues the politicians failed to resolve.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I have always wondered how Americans can commit this kind of atrocity. .
    ted bundy, john wayne gacy, jeffrey dahmer, dennis rader (aka BTK killer), the list goes on and on.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Now imagine how often this happens. People that do nasty/tricky things are good at not getting caught. How many more deaths have come from the hands of someone that wants to rack up their kill count using civs? Why are THEY terrorists but WE aren't when our people do this? Are Arabs so non-human that we have to enable situations that can allow this? How can anyone argue that we are in Afgan for the greater good? Its just full of kids with really, really big and dangerous toys.
    Who exactly is this THEY and WE you speak of? THEY, being the actual people that kill or maim ARE terrorists...or murderers. I dont know of this mythical 'we'.

    For one thing...I dont know how many of 'we' have ever been in a conflict situation, faced down the end of a barrel, been tasked with the choice to pull a trigger or not, or basically done anything more than the very stressful act of deciding which pair of socks matches your shoes. For that matter how many have had to pay their own bills and are still living off mommy and daddy's credit card? How many adequately provide for a family? How many have made the conscious decision to go ahead and slip their hands down someone elses pants at a party, knowing that person was too drunk to give proper consent. Oh...we could go on and on about the varying levels of deciet or the ways we justify moral inconvenience.

    OR we can stick with the reality that terrorists are terrorists and murderous scumbags are murderous scumbags. We dont fully know what these 12 accused men are...yet. We will have a trial and find out. Label THEM at that time. WE dont carry their labels.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Now imagine how often this happens. People that do nasty/tricky things are good at not getting caught. How many more deaths have come from the hands of someone that wants to rack up their kill count using civs?
    I've been in that situation before...

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    I see nothing wrong with what I said in my OP. If some posters take what I said as bashing every US Soldier and Military. Then that is on them and their own problem.

    I think I have every right to post this story and highlight it considering it's impact is international and my criticisms regarding the delay and the alleged attempt at hiding it is very valid.

    This is just a attempt by some to try and hide/divert it under the guise of "bash the US thread" so they do not have to face what the contents of the story holds


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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    ted bundy, john wayne gacy, jeffrey dahmer, dennis rader (aka BTK killer), the list goes on and on.
    But it's not just an "American" thing - it's a "human WTF" thing.

    People do things like this regardless of nationality, race or sense of religion.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Who exactly is this THEY and WE you speak of? THEY, being the actual people that kill or maim ARE terrorists...or murderers. I dont know of this mythical 'we'.

    They = anyone in a country we are currently attacking.
    We = any American that pays their taxes.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    I question the claim that owning to what is likely to come out anyway is allowing "the enemy an IO weapon". If the military owns it quickly, apologise voluntarily and take actions to prosecute the soldiers promptly, that will give a better impression of the military and reenforce the arguement that this kind of action is not condoned by the US military and weaken any attempt by the other side to use the situation to inflame anti-US sentiments in Afghanistan.
    the trials are already underway, and apparently have been for some time; and have been public knowledge for some time. like Abu Ghraib, it appears that the mainstream media wasn't interested in carrying this story unless they had shocking pictures to lead with. it's the pictures that are problematic, not the information.

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