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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I have always wondered how Americans can commit this kind of atrocity.
    All humans are capable of atrocity. It's in our genes.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Pretty sure heroin abuse does not cause the taker to become violent or psychopathic. I very much doubt opiate abuse is a factor. Amphetamines, perhaps.
    Alkaloids have effects on behavior other than the immediate effects of the drugs themselves while they are in a person's system.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    .. and posed with their dead bodies.

    Afghan Abu Ghraib ... except worse :/


    Wouldn't blame Afghans if they got violent against the Soldiers. Some of the photos are just horrible and just imagine ... there was 4,000 found.

    I'm not even going to post the photos. It should be in the link.
    The 'Kill Team' Images: US Army Apologizes for Horrific Photos from Afghanistan - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

    I don't know which bit is the worst part. The idea the photos were attempted to be hidden by the US or the apology only came when they got leaked

    Edit: Please merge if a thread has already been made on it. Couldn't see it on BN
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Rigg View Post
    But circumstances rendering we are still missing the other side of the story or if we arent I have not read it.
    Admitting guilt doesn't lead me to believe that the circumstances of the events are very exculpatory.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    All humans are capable of atrocity. It's in our genes.
    Heh, the genetic argument.

    We also have the capacity for great goodness. Whichever side we decide to nurture becomes dominant. You can't blame savagery on our genes, but our choices.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    A family friend described just "some" of his experiences in Viet Nam. He was a point man. Wounded twice. Glad to be alive. That was another war where our soldiers weren't sure who their enemies were. Kids, old men and women booby-trapped; American soldiers booby-trapped so when we tried to collect our dead, we'd lose a few more in the process. Horrendous atrocities done to our soldiers -- some while they were dead...some while they were still alive. He's got some real horror stories...some of which he hasn't told me, but has told Tom.

    One story he told was when they were being over-run by the North Vietnamese, their South Viet compadres were going to hide in a huge bunker with them. They told the South Vietnamese they were on their own and were prepared to machine-gun every last one of them had they entered the bunker. They did not trust them.

    War is hell. On a side note -- off topic -- if we put our guys into Libya, I think the president should be impeached. And I've never said that before in my life.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Civilians always die in war. "Way back in the old days", killing villagers and destroying the whole village to deny the enemy santuary was a legitimate war tactic.
    We as a military in modern warfare traditionally avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. Especially in this theater we understand that killing civilians does not enhance our mission...it inhibits it. We arent trying to kill as many people as we can. We arent trying just to defeat an enemy. The war against Iraq and Afghanistan ended a long time ago. We arent at war with either country. We are attempting to work with their governments, police forces, and military to help train them to do the job so that we wont have to. Killing civilians...especially intentionally targeting civilians is more than repugnant and wrong...its also bad business. Every act...every photograph...puts good soldiers in greater harm. If these people are convicted I would strip them of their uniforms and turn them directly over to the people of Afghanistan.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    We as a military in modern warfare traditionally avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. Especially in this theater we understand that killing civilians does not enhance our mission...it inhibits it. We arent trying to kill as many people as we can. We arent trying just to defeat an enemy. The war against Iraq and Afghanistan ended a long time ago. We arent at war with either country. We are attempting to work with their governments, police forces, and military to help train them to do the job so that we wont have to. Killing civilians...especially intentionally targeting civilians is more than repugnant and wrong...its also bad business. Every act...every photograph...puts good soldiers in greater harm. If these people are convicted I would strip them of their uniforms and turn them directly over to the people of Afghanistan.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    ^ I've been told stories by some Vietnam vets of raping (literally) village people and setting it ablaze. American soldiers had total power there to do what they wanted, especially the units that were temporarily without command. If you get the vets drunk enough, they'll talk about anything.

    I agree that war is hell, and without the rules of civilization and government, people would do that kind of thing. People need to be good because it is their moral imperative, not just because. It tends to be the "just because" good people who end up committing heinous acts once the watchful eye is absent.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I have always wondered how Americans can commit this kind of atrocity.
    Do you wonder? Soldiers are people. They come from the American community. Hell...how many people on this site play violent video games where they take great pleasure and glory in killing as many people as they can. Soldiers...even healthy and well trained soldiers...are placed in a scenario where there is no regeneration...no pause button...no offers to limit the levels of violence. These guys have to do daily for real what people do daily for fun. It isnt shocking that the occasional predator will commit attrocities like these. I recall a gang of 18+ men recently raping an 11 year old...and then videotaping the act.

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