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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Casualties of war occur. In this instance these civilians are alleged to be the target of intentional acts.
    but who were the civilians? random people pulled out of their houses? part of the Talibans' early warning network? fighters? narcotics smugglers?

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Rigg View Post
    It might not even be under those circumstances.At some times the pictures are required by an officer higher up not theyre fault.
    there's not a chance in hell that anyone in their right mind would want to be in possession of a picture like the first one. it's incriminating.

    the victim has been severely beaten. his hands have at some stage been bound. he has no pants on.

    i have seen plenty of dead people. never have i seen one with his pants taken off after they have been shot.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    4000 of them by 12 people?
    trophy pictures are remarkably different from evidentiary pictures. notably, in trophy pictures someone is posing. when i took evidentiary pictures of bodies (which i did), the intent was to provide the scene utterly As It Was.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Yes that the gist of it.Wether I agree with it is completely different.All is fair in war. Wether the outcome of it is okay is a completely different story.Trophy pictures are wrong but to show the reality of what is really happening is OK.
    Last edited by Rigg; 03-22-11 at 10:01 AM.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    but who were the civilians? random people pulled out of their houses? part of the Talibans' early warning network? fighters? narcotics smugglers?
    Based on the murder guilty plea noted in the earlier post, am led to believe that the soldier didn't have any such defense. Sounds like they (the dead) were just victims.


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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    But circumstances rendering we are still missing the other side of the story or if we arent I have not read it.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Casualties of war occur. In this instance these civilians are alleged to be the target of intentional acts.
    Isn't that called involuntary manslaughter? I would really like to see you explain that to the family. "I'm sorry I killed your son. But it was an accident. I was trying to kill some other people and he got in the way." Anyway, the bombing of Germany and Japan was intentional. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were definitely intentional. Intentionally killing civilians seems to be fine as long as its deemed to be for the good of the mission. Why does it become wrong when you lose that abstract notion of a greater good? It really isn't that much of a leap.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Based on the murder guilty plea noted in the earlier post, am led to believe that the soldier didn't have any such defense
    may have been a plea bargain. or guilt. who knows? I would still like better clarification on who the civilians in question were. it doesn't really change their legal guilt, but perhaps effects moral guilt.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Way back in the old days, those engaging in combat wore distinct uniforms and the two sides met on a field of battle. Today, the enemy wears clothes like their civilian counterparts and hide amongst women and children, using them as shields and counting on the conscience of their opponents to hesitate or hold fire. Today, civilians will die. Its a fact of modern warfare. The military takes every effort to limit casualties. Can anyone say the same about their opponents? In fact their opponents go out of their way to kill innocents in markets and clubs. Different mindset altogether. And these people that are accused of murder...they also are of a different mindset.
    Your mistake is in portraying the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan as wars.

    If the US military have guidelines that soldiers can take pictures of corpses as celebratory souvenirs, you think that would be seen as "okay"?
    What on earth are you going on about.

    but who were the civilians? random people pulled out of their houses? part of the Talibans' early warning network? fighters? narcotics smugglers?
    That is completely irrelevant.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    There is nothing debatable here. It seems to me that the main intent of the OP is to demonize the US military.
    when the factual behavior of demons is made public that is hardly demonizing

    but that you find it so certainly explains some administrative actions
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