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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It was just an analogy. Yes I realize that I haven't been to war, while others have, and yes that gives you more authority on the subject. All I'm saying is I wouldn't necessarily hate a guy JUST because he is trying to kill me. It would depend on why he was trying to kill me.
    You wouldn't necessarily survive long on the battlefield, then.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You wouldn't necessarily survive long on the battlefield, then.
    So you're saying psychotic rage is a necessary ingredient in a killer and a warrior? You absolutely have to hate your enemy to kill him?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So you're saying psychotic rage is a necessary ingredient in a killer and a warrior? You absolutely have to hate your enemy to kill him?
    absolutely? No.

    But, you do have to choose sides and if the side you choose isn't the same side as your comrades, then yes, you're time alive in any in any given battle space is limited.

    Your platoon mates are you family. If anyone tries to harm your family, you take it very personal. It's that whole blood is thicker than water thing.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    absolutely? No.

    But, you do have to choose sides and if the side you choose isn't the same side as your comrades, then yes, you're time alive in any in any given battle space is limited.

    Your platoon mates are you family. If anyone tries to harm your family, you take it very personal. It's that whole blood is thicker than water thing.
    Interesting, I see your point.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So you're saying psychotic rage is a necessary ingredient in a killer and a warrior? You absolutely have to hate your enemy to kill him?
    No room to psycho-analyze it, sweetened or unsweetened killing is killing... Kill the ego and you can kill anything.

    At the end of the day, when it's all said and done, every problem boils down to a marksmanship issue.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    No room to psycho-analyze it, sweetened or unsweetened killing is killing... Kill the ego and you can kill anything.

    At the end of the day, when it's all said and done, every problem boils down to a marksmanship issue.
    That's how I see it.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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