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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm totally fine with taking a life when it comes to wartime and would have no problem pulling the trigger. Taking pleasure in it is another matter.
    That's a very easy thing to say.

    Not such an easy thing to do... the first time.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    almost everyone I know who has killed an enemy has pics. I started taking mine as a CYA deal. photographic evidence that I didn't shoot the bastard in the back or some stupid **** like that.
    I hadn't thought about that, but with every other Liberal in the world, just waiting to pin an American soldier with some kind of war crimes, it makes alotta sense.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's a very easy thing to say.

    Not such an easy thing to do... the first time.
    from my experience, it doesn't get much easier. but then again, maybe I just haven't killed enough people yet.

    I would find it odd, however, not to take pleasure in killing someone who is trying to kill me. I guess it's one of those things you just have to experience for yourself.

    very easy to sit back and criticize others when you have never been in their position.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I hadn't thought about that, but with every other Liberal in the world, just waiting to pin an American soldier with some kind of war crimes, it makes alotta sense.
    damn bed-wetting, hand-wringing pacifists are always looking to accuse you of being a war criminal, baby killer or murderer.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's a very easy thing to say.

    Not such an easy thing to do... the first time.
    Depends on the individual, but morally I have no qualms about it even if psychologically it might affect me.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Depends on the individual, but morally I have no qualms about it even if psychologically it might affect me.
    There is a huge difference in talking the talk, walking the walk in this subject Still.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    There is a huge difference in talking the talk, walking the walk in this subject Still.
    True enough. I can only say what I think is going will happen. I don't think I will hesitate to pull the trigger if called upon to do so. But no, I also don't think I will derive any pleasure or enjoyment out of killing a total stranger. Because I have no reason to hate that individual, only realizing that killing is a necessary part of war. In contrast, something I WOULD take pleasure in would be beating the **** out of a rapist or murderer or bully.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    True enough. I can only say what I think is going will happen. I don't think I will hesitate to pull the trigger if called upon to do so. But no, I also don't think I will derive any pleasure or enjoyment out of killing a total stranger. Because I have no reason to hate that individual, only realizing that killing is a necessary part of war. In contrast, something I WOULD take pleasure in would be beating the **** out of a rapist or murderer or bully.
    Spoken like a true person who wasn't been in war.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    from my experience, it doesn't get much easier. but then again, maybe I just haven't killed enough people yet.

    I would find it odd, however, not to take pleasure in killing someone who is trying to kill me. I guess it's one of those things you just have to experience for yourself.

    very easy to sit back and criticize others when you have never been in their position.
    Quite so.

    Everyones different.

    what I hear from MOST people that I know who have had to kill in the line of duty, is that after the first time it's not so bad, but that first time was hell for them.

    Not that I meant every person is like that.

    But that seemed to be the general concensus I got.

    I don't talk that kind of talk.

    I don't know what I'd do in that situation. My instinct would probably kick in, kill or be killed and I'd press the button.

    But I'm not niave enough to say "Yeah I could kill anybody yoh!".

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    True enough. I can only say what I think is going will happen. I don't think I will hesitate to pull the trigger if called upon to do so. But no, I also don't think I will derive any pleasure or enjoyment out of killing a total stranger. Because I have no reason to hate that individual, only realizing that killing is a necessary part of war. In contrast, something I WOULD take pleasure in would be beating the **** out of a rapist or murderer or bully.
    given the current ROE, you can bet your ass that if you have to kill a total stranger it is because he has already tried to kill you. reason aplenty to hate him
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